Crocus January 2010

[Armin]

Luit,
thank you to Sjaak de Groot and to you for posting this excellent pictures of C. alatavicus and its different forms. Aberated style/pistil is recorded in other crocus species too.
Usual this feature makes them very attractive and motivate breeders to give them cultivar names.

Probably there are much more forms in the wild of C. alatavicus compared to the view clones which are in commercial trade. Not all secrets of nature are lifted.
More exploration travels are required to those far away foreign regions.  
All this makes the genus crocus so exciting.

[I.S.]

  I didn't visit the forum just few days, there are lots of things to read.
 
  Simon for your speckled biflorus I agree with Thomas We have to know where it cames from or We have to use scale for each part of plants. But for unusual forms still it will not be easy to tell.
  I believe that your biflorus is not a C. biflorus subsp. punctatus. I have seen a location of this plant last year they were all clearly speckled like the second sample of Janis and they were smaller than standart biflorus. I can tell that by checking the leaves of your biflorus, It might be C. biflorus subsp. biflorus. I have seen severel location of this subspecies. They might be striped, speckled or between both. Yours biflorus seems to my iyes also very lightly striped!.

 
   
 

[Sinchets]

Yes, Ibrahim, it is slightly stiped, but with the stripes made from thicker concentrations of speckles.
I do not know where it was from, and as it does not look the same as the picture the supplier showed, I assume it is not the same as the plant he offered. I also know that this plant is not misidentified by accident here, as it was planted here directly and was bought after our vole problems. It hasn't moved since, though it is now maybe 5cm from the original label. i am not sure if there are more and will now have to wait until the snow melts to check. How would the leaves be different if it is subsp biflorus? Would it still have black anthers?
Simon

[I.S.]

Simon you are right, The standart C. biflorus subsp. biflorus has not black anthers but when we are walking on the thousands of C. biflorus, I can't say no!. Last year in one location I have seen very slightly blackish sing even on this subspecies. I will check this year If I can see blackish anthers!
Here is a similar one

[Sinchets]

Thanks, Ibrahim. Are there areas where subsp punctatus grows near black anthered subspecies to form hybrids?

[I.S.]

Tony W.
Your biflorus from Fethiye might be C. biflorus subsp. ionopharynx. It says this supspecies is very close C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor and also the location is not very far from Fethiye! Only the different is violet spot on throat and inside of anthers are blackish. This subspecies is known from ony two locations. Why not third location! (as everybody knows that each locations has some different characteristic sing)
 Is it posible to check the throat?

[I.S.]

  Simon in the region where the C. biflorus subsp. punctatus occur, there is also C. biflorus subsp. crewei with black anthered. But in the locations where I have seen it was alone.
  The C. biflorus punctatus which I have seen, They were smaller, thiny and also with thiny leaves (mostly 3) It was evening time I couldn't made photos. Something between C. danfordiae and C. biflorus. That is the reason why I said It isn't C. biflorus puctatus.

[Tony Willis]

Tony W.
Your biflorus from Fethiye might be C. biflorus subsp. ionopharynx. It says this supspecies is very close C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor and also the location is not very far from Fethiye! Only the different is violet spot on throat and inside of anthers are blackish. This subspecies is known from ony two locations. Why not third location! (as everybody knows that each locations has some different characteristic sing)
 Is it posible to check the throat?

hello Ibrahim and thanks for your comments.It is not possible to look at the flowers until much later in the season, they are not through the grit yet. I am happy to do this when they flower and report back then.

As you know I said only a few days ago I just do not believe there are so many subspecies and certainly the comments by Janis on the allium thread shows how much uncertainty and confusion is being created by all this constant splitting.

[Sinchets]

Ibrahim, thank you again for sharing your knowledge and experience of Crocus in Turkey.

[mark smyth]

While Crocus get in the mood - lots in bud now - here's a couple to keep interest going. Nothing special and you'll have seen them before last year

chrysanthus Uschak Orange - not the first out this winter
imperati - bought as corsicus
sieberi ex Gothenburg - I'll get a better open flower later this week

[Luc Gilgemyn]

I was expecting your first flowers Mark !  
Good to see the season is getting on it's way !  
Just buds peeping through the gravel here at the moment  and one (terribly etoliated) flower out of C. baytopiorum.

 

[Ragged Robin]

Mark, thanks for the reminder of crocus to come - I love the way the C imperati opens from bud - looking forward to learning much more about Crocus from this thread

[mark smyth]

imperati is one of my favourites. Do you grow it?

[Ragged Robin]

No Mark, but I would love to if I can find it 

[Sinchets]

Following advise from a kind soul here, I emailled a supplier for Crocus aff. sieberi and sent a pic of my unidentified plant. In their opinion it is neither C.aff sieberi nor C.sieberi, but possibly a C.biflorus. I am still trying to work out what it is and where it came from, as I don't remember having any biflorus like this one. Pics attached again for your reference