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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #375 on: September 20, 2010, 07:20:32 PM »
Very nice cilicium Dave.
Here in flower :
Cyclamen graecum
Cyclamen mirabile
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #376 on: September 20, 2010, 07:22:01 PM »
....... and here's one of my Cyclamen cilicium that should improve nicely next year. Grown from SRGC Seed Ex. seed 1046/07 sown 29 August 2008.

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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #377 on: September 20, 2010, 08:42:08 PM »
From seed received from the SRGC Seed Ex (1041/07) labelled Cyclamen africanum I have three seed pots sown 1st September 2008. The leaves in two of the pots are very similar (see pic 1) but some of the leaves in one of the pots look very different (see pic 2 and close up pic 3). I would be most grateful if one of the experts could take a look and tell me please if I am likely to have africanum or do I have a mixture?

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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #378 on: September 20, 2010, 08:59:10 PM »
From seed received from the SRGC Seed Ex (1041/07) labelled Cyclamen africanum I have three seed pots sown 1st September 2008. The leaves in two of the pots are very similar (see pic 1) but some of the leaves in one of the pots look very different (see pic 2 and close up pic 3). I would be most grateful if one of the experts could take a look and tell me please if I am likely to have africanum or do I have a mixture?  

David, I would say the first picture is definitely C hederifolium.  The other two pictures show a mixture, in both there are clearly some C hederifolium (silvery leaves).  It is possible that there is some C africanum in the second picture (and maybe in the third), but not conclusive until the plants are a bit bigger, then the tuber is often the best way to tell them apart.  You've got quite a mix there.
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #379 on: September 20, 2010, 09:09:37 PM »
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #380 on: September 20, 2010, 09:19:06 PM »
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.  

I can help with that.  I've shown these pixtures before somewhere, but can't find where, sorry, so just easier to repost.

C africanum has a distinctly concave top with roots coming mainly from the sides and base
C hederifolium has a rounded top with roots coming from the top as well as the base
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #381 on: September 21, 2010, 06:32:07 PM »
Gerd, does your cyprium stay pink or just on opening?

Mark,
Compared with another cyprium it seems the plant shown is a little bit more pink than others and the colour doesn't change much. See pic of the same plant from today!

Gerd
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #382 on: September 21, 2010, 06:58:39 PM »
Hi David,

Whatever they turn out to be, they look very healthy indeed.  Well done flowering in just two years from sowing too.  I keep my cyclamen seed in the cold frame, and I reckon the wind blows it about because I often get seedlings appearing in the sand they are all sitting on, so its entirely likely that they get blown also from seed pot to seed pot...
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #383 on: September 22, 2010, 09:47:39 PM »
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.  

I can help with that.  I've shown these pixtures before somewhere, but can't find where, sorry, so just easier to repost.

C africanum has a distinctly concave top with roots coming mainly from the sides and base
C hederifolium has a rounded top with roots coming from the top as well as the base

Diane, many thanks for the pics.
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #384 on: September 22, 2010, 09:48:54 PM »
Hi David,

Whatever they turn out to be, they look very healthy indeed.  Well done flowering in just two years from sowing too.  I keep my cyclamen seed in the cold frame, and I reckon the wind blows it about because I often get seedlings appearing in the sand they are all sitting on, so its entirely likely that they get blown also from seed pot to seed pot...

Chris, they haven't flowered yet but I may get a flower or two next year.
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #385 on: September 23, 2010, 04:52:00 PM »
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.
Chris Grey-Wilson says Cyclamen africanum can produce roots all over while hederifolium roots mainly from the top and sides with the base bare.  The tuber tends to be rounded while hederifolium is flattened.  I don't have a lot of experience with africanum but this is one I am currently growing.  It is the only one of my cyclamen which got repotted this year.  Oh well there's always next year.   
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #386 on: September 24, 2010, 10:59:27 AM »
After a shy flowering in 2009 my Cyclamen colchicum do much better this year.
Still flowering now and it seems like my two plants have devided into 6!!!
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #387 on: September 24, 2010, 03:35:15 PM »
very nice, I bet it smells great
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #388 on: September 24, 2010, 05:23:02 PM »
Thomas very nice indeed,they do seem late,mine finished three weeks ago.
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Re: Cyclamen 2010
« Reply #389 on: September 24, 2010, 05:29:18 PM »
Very nice Thomas.

Are Cyclamen prone to missing both leaves and flowers in some years? I have a couple of C. mirabile which have shown nothing this year, should I tip them out and have a look?
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