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fermi de Sousa

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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #195 on: August 02, 2010, 12:32:25 AM »
Thanks, Oron.
I found the entry in my seed-sowing list - it was supposed to be M. pseudomuscari from NARGS Seedex 2007.
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #196 on: August 02, 2010, 09:10:39 AM »
Fermi

M. azureum and M. pseudomuscari are very similar in appearance, and if not enough M. azureum has been called in the past Pseudomuscari azureum.

But, Muscari pseudomuscari has deflected pedicals and flowers giving  it more of a bell shaped flowers, having thinner and longer leaves.

And again,  some of the Muscari tend to hybridize in cultivation, with some forms that are impossible to tell apart.

Still your plant in my opinion looks more M. azureum rather than M. pseudomuscari...maybe you can take another photo of it when it is fully open?
« Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 09:14:46 AM by Oron Peri »
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #197 on: August 04, 2010, 04:22:50 AM »
Hi Oron,
here are two more views of the Muscari azureum/pseudomuscari!
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This is a pic of a Muscari I've had for many years as Muscari cyanea violacea (or possibly M. violacea cyanea) not sure why it ends in "a" rather than "um" ??? maybe just a "typo"!
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #198 on: August 04, 2010, 03:00:56 PM »
Both of your Muscari are lovely Fermi  :)
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #199 on: August 05, 2010, 06:59:03 AM »
Hi Fermi,

Muscari cyano-violaceum is an old synonym for M. armeniacum which is what you have there.
As or the first it does look M. azureum, though not sure if its 'pure', might also be a cultivar.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 07:06:08 AM by Oron Peri »
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #200 on: August 05, 2010, 07:36:49 AM »
Both of your Muscari are lovely Fermi  :)
Thanks, Robin.
Hi Fermi,
Muscari cyano-violaceum is an old synonym for M. armeniacum which is what you have there.
Oron,
thanks for clearing that up. I received it more than 20 years ago from a dear friend and it is different to other forms of M. armeniacum which I grow. I'll adjust the labels!
As for the M. azureum - it is luxuriating in a dry spot in the rock garden, so it's time I move the others under that name into the open as well.
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #201 on: September 10, 2010, 01:58:35 PM »
Beautiful muscari Fermi.  It's great to see how compact and 'in character' you grow Mediterranean species in the open garden.

A flurry of recent papers describe new Turkish muscari species but unfortunately I don't have full-text access.  Does anyone have a key to the genus that isn't several decades old?  Even one decade out of date would be welcome ;D

Edit: Ah, here's something in this paper about M. vuralii.
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #202 on: November 02, 2010, 06:43:11 AM »
I thought the muscari season was over but discovered a pot of seedlings about to flower:
Muscari caucasicum from AGS 2007 Seedex
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #203 on: January 08, 2011, 10:27:42 AM »
First  Bellevalia to bloom here is B. desertorum,
These photos were taken  yesterday in the Judea Desert.
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #204 on: January 08, 2011, 05:02:02 PM »
How delicate and totally lovely to see your photos, Oron, of B.desertorum and to imagine them in the Judea Desert far from the cold winter days in the UK.
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #205 on: January 10, 2011, 08:12:37 AM »
First  Bellevalia to bloom here is B. desertorum,
These photos were taken  yesterday in the Judea Desert.
Here too much snow, so have time to look in other topics. Bellevalia desertorum is very nice! Thanks, Oron, for showing it. Afraid - would be too difficult here.
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #206 on: January 29, 2011, 10:00:22 AM »
Hyacinthella heldreichii from Janis has started to bloom in a pot :)
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #207 on: January 29, 2011, 10:15:40 AM »
Walking around my garden today I can believe that Oron's Bellevalia desertorum would do well. I must keep an eye out for it on seed lists.
It is dry and so hot at present. 40C+ due tomorrow.
Plus quite a few locust hoppers went hopping in the front garden today when I disturbed them. We have not seen locusts for the last few weeks - now I know why - they were developing a whole new generation. Thank goodness most of the iris and bulbs are sleeping now.
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #208 on: January 29, 2011, 10:30:34 AM »
Hello
Muscari is very special to me, it is the first bulbous plant I found in wild. And I'm hoping to hunt some bulbous plants this spring.( muscari sivrihisardaghlariensis etc.)
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Re: Muscari ... and some relatives 2010
« Reply #209 on: January 29, 2011, 09:57:53 PM »
Arda do you know what or who Muscari sivrihisardaghlariensis is named after? Must be one of the longest species names.
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