Lilium 2010

[Pascal B]

Hi Ian,

It would be very simple, make it a cultivar if distinct enough, "Naga Pink" would indeed be a good one and I am surprised that the Cox' don't already have given it a cultivar name. But all the hybridized offspring with the originial clone (clones?) would be a far more complicated story because there is only a limited number or traits that can vary if the cross is within the same species. It might even be limited to the shade of pink and there are many, many shades of pink. None of the offspring is likely to be even darker than "Naga Pink" however so that will always be recognisable.

At the moment there seems to be only 1 registered cultivar of L. mackliniae and that is L. mackliniae "Sealy". Don't know what that looks like or makes it special but we don't have any more. Yes, plants don't read books or codes, true. But plants are not born with names either, we invent the names for them. It would become a mess if everyone would create a cultivar name for the form they grow. The whole reason for names is to bring order to chaos, the whole reason for codes and rules is to regulate order. Perfect example are the Meconopsis hybrids where things got out of hands with the hybrid and cultivar names and nobody in the end knew what they were bying or growing and a team was needed to re-order this group.

As long as the cultivars are distinct enough, that's the point. If we end up with hundreds of cultivar names for plants that all look rather similar even the cultivar name becomes useless. Hence the codes with rules and recommendations. It is not always the taxonomists that create confusion, more often than not it is the amateur enthusiast that wants to put his or her personal stamp on a plant that causes the confusion.....

But it is still the nursery that wants to sell a plant with a name and it is still the grower who wants to put a label on a plant. Maybe you don't really mind if it hasn't got a name (and in many cases I don't either) but many on the forum do.

I can't find Caremati on any of my maps from India but if it flowers much earlier and has a different habit I wouldn't be surprised if it is a different species/subspecies/variety.

Pascal

[ichristie]

Hi, thanks for all the comments about Lilium mackliniae, I did contact Peter Cox before I named Naga Pink and he gave me the name Caremati for the White one will confirm spelling and the name soonest,  cheers Ian.

[Giles]

Lilium henryi
Lilium leichtlinii

[arisaema]

Not Lilium, but close enough: Notholirion campanulatum

[johnw]

This time I checked the label - Lilium canadense.

johnw

[Roma]

Such an elegant shape, Lilium canadense.

[arisaema]

Are there any dos and don'ts to keeping Lilium souliei-seedlings alive? Can I treat them like lophophorum, or do you have to be more careful with fertilizer?

[Giles]

The BD has the experience.....
(Bulb Log 21, 18th May 2004)

[arisaema]

Thanks Giles, let's hope the BD reads this

(Also, 9 years from seed to flower?! Ugh... )

[Ian Y]

Yes I do read this and the rest

I do not know of any secrets with Lilium souliei seedlings, I suspect getting hold of the seed is the hardest bit.

Plenty dilute potassium rich feeding and keep them growing as long as you can each year. My single plant flowers about every second year but being an only child has never set seed.

Good luck I look forward to the pictures.

[arisaema]

Thanks Ian, good to know it's not sensitive to potassium at least. I'm tempted to use my regular heavy-handed approach to fertilizer, it got lophophorum flowering in three years... (With only two seedlings I'm guaranteed to have killed them before 9 years have passed anyway )

[ichristie]

Hi all fantastic pictures and great info. I post a few Lilium pictures taken in the garden recently, cheers Ian the Christie kind.

[bulborum]

That's the darkest Lilium martagon var cattaniae
i have ever seen
what a beauty and they look quite tall with a nice strong stem
is this one named ??

Roland

[Lesley Cox]

What fantastic lilies have been posted recently. L. pumilum is one of my favourites, wonderful pictures Ian.

[ichristie]

Hi Roland, I thought this was very nice as well unfortunately it is in a friends garden forgot to say that and it will not come true from seed. The flower buds are coverd in a white downy material and it is later than the others, cheers Ian the Christie kind.