Lilium 2010

[bulborum]

Thanks Tony

[ArnoldT]

The color is bit off from other Ariadne I have seen.

[ArnoldT]

Lilium lancifolium

[ArnoldT]

Lilium regale

[mark smyth]

I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find the answer on here but .... I dont know where this Lily came from except it's been stuck in a tiny pot, 1L, for years and it has produced a flower. It opened today.

I'm sure someone knows which it is

[bulborum]

Hello Mark

For me it looks like Lilium bulbiferum ssp. croceum

does it have bulblets ?

Then it can be Lilium bulbiferum ssp. bulbiferum

but I don't see them

Roland

[bulborum]

Lilium umbellatum in flower today

just 35 cm high

Roland

 

[Regelian]

How do you differentiate between L. bulbiferum and L. umbellatum?  The flowers seem different, with the former having different sized sepals to petals, but is there more?  Here is what i have a s the later, but I have no idea if this is correct.

[bulborum]

Hello Jamie

Some people say that a synonym of Lilium umbellatum
is Lilium philadelphicum L. var. andinum  (Nutt.) Ker Gawl.
wood lily
native to America
see  http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=LIPHA 
Lilium bulbiferum is an European species

Roland

[Regelian]

Roland,

the question is more, when they are growing side by side, how does one differentiate them.  I have, I believe both, along with croceum, but they were in the garden as I took it over.  The only big difference is the bloom time.  What I think is the American lily blooms about 2-3 weeks before.

Two I thought I had long lost.

L. hansonii
L. martagon

[bulborum]

Its easy

I give you later in the year a L.umbellatum
And if you have a true L. bulbiferum ssp. croceum
we can swap
I am still looking for true croceum

Roland

[Giles]

Lilium tsingtauense

[gote]

I am out in the country at the moment so I do not have my boks available but all American lilies have bulbs that grow sideways in one way or the other. Eurasian lilies have vertical axis of the bulb and are symmetrical around that axis. All Americans but one have at least some leaves in whorls except philadelphicum. there has been some discussions whether hat one is not really a garden escapee of Eurasian origin.
There are many hybrids that look like bulbiferum. 'Harmony' is an old mid-century hybrid that has those wide tepals.
I think I remember that umbellatum is name that has been used (incorrectly?) many years ago for upright hybrids of Dutch origin but I am not sure.
Göte

[PeterT]

I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find the answer on here but .... I dont know where this Lily came from except it's been stuck in a tiny pot, 1L, for years and it has produced a flower. It opened today.

I'm sure someone knows which it is

Is it necessarily a species Mark? it reminds me of  the first lilly I ever grew when I was a child, It was a cultivar called "Enchantment"

[Regelian]

I am out in the country at the moment so I do not have my boks available but all American lilies have bulbs that grow sideways in one way or the other. Eurasian lilies have vertical axis of the bulb and are symmetrical around that axis. All Americans but one have at least some leaves in whorls except philadelphicum. there has been some discussions whether hat one is not really a garden escapee of Eurasian origin.
There are many hybrids that look like bulbiferum. 'Harmony' is an old mid-century hybrid that has those wide tepals.
I think I remember that umbellatum is name that has been used (incorrectly?) many years ago for upright hybrids of Dutch origin but I am not sure.
Göte

Göte,

thanks for the info.  I have been spurred to check on other possible IDs for these lilies left to me in the garden.  I have moved the one in the foto and it is a centric bulb that quickly regenerates from damage, as I accidentally split it with the shovel and it bloomed the next year despite the damage.  I suspect it is an old dutch hybrid, not a species.  This may well be the case with the others in the garden as well.  They were planted in the 1950's, I believe.  I found a shot of 'Orange Triumph', that looks a great deal like my lily, but there were apparently many similar lilies produced in the 30's and '40s involving bulbiferum croceum.