Lilium 2010

[ruweiss]

2 Lilium martagon forms from seed:

[Paul T]

Beautiful, everyone.  Beautiful!

[gote]

I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find the answer on here but .... I dont know where this Lily came from except it's been stuck in a tiny pot, 1L, for years and it has produced a flower. It opened today.

I'm sure someone knows which it is

Is it necessarily a species Mark? it reminds me of  the first lilly I ever grew when I was a child, It was a cultivar called "Enchantment"

Enchantmet was probably the most widely grown since it became a cut flower variety. However, Enchantment is more reddish and has less wide tepals. Of those I have grown, 'Harmony seems the most likely bet. I have not grown Orange Triumph so I have no idea if it can be that one.
Göte

[bulborum]

For lilium umbellatum Orange Triumph

see

http://ssls.tussana.com/OLD%20LILY%20HYBRIDS%20AND%20SPECIES1.html

Roland

[Regelian]

Roland,

thanks for that very interesting link.  I am now more confused than ever.  One thing I noticed is, most of the cultivars listed are only 2-3 feet tall (under 1m), while my plant is consistently 1.6m or 5ft.

I, also, collected some bulbils from an unknown lily in a relatives garden 2 years ago.  I will need another 2 years to see bloom, but suspect they are another hybrid from this group.  Although I am hardly a collector of heirloom hybrids, I do love a puzzle, which is why I decided to bring back the bulbils at all.

jamie

[gote]

Roland,

thanks for that very interesting link.  I am now more confused than ever.  One thing I noticed is, most of the cultivars listed are only 2-3 feet tall (under 1m), while my plant is consistently 1.6m or 5ft.

I, also, collected some bulbils from an unknown lily in a relatives garden 2 years ago.  I will need another 2 years to see bloom, but suspect they are another hybrid from this group.  Although I am hardly a collector of heirloom hybrids, I do love a puzzle, which is why I decided to bring back the bulbils at all.

jamie

I am pleased that you are confused  I think we all are.
Lilium dauricum is tall - at least in my garden  - and might fit the picture.
When I am back in town I will try to remember to post a picture. It should be described in Flora of China
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027711
By the way: I see the upright habitus as an adaption to growing in grassland. The umbel positions the flower in a way that is visible to flying pollinators without being so tall as to be damaged by wind. The arrangement of the tepals also protects the anthers from being hit by adjacent plants. The Genus Lilium has two bracts per pedicel and you will find that the number of "leaves" in the top whorl is about twice the number of flowers. The whorl is thus the result of a stop in the vertical growth of the stem. The "whorls" in the stems of some other lilies are also formed by a temporary stop to growth. Sometimes it is possible to see the underlying spiral.
Cheers
Göte   

[gote]

Yesterday I went out in the garden and measured my tallest Lilium dauricum. - 145cm.

Two centuries ago Ker Gawler by mistake renamed Lilium lancifolium  L. tigrinum. He also - believing a certain lily came from America named it L. pennsylvanicum. A few years later he became aware of its origin and renamed it L. dauricum - a name that has often been maltreated to davuricum etc.

At the same time Pursh named the lily we now call philadelphicum v. andinum: L umbellatum. This is a typical American Lily with a bulb of the canadense type. I.e. the bulb forms an annual horizontal stolon that makes a new bulb adjacent to the old but in this case the stolon is shorter than in canadense. This is a rare lily in cultivation. The tepals are very narrow at the base quite unlike the ones in the pictures.

The asiatic upright lilies were the firsty to be hybridized and in the first half of the 20th century there were a number of hybrids some where called xthunbergii, xelegans and xumbellatum. Some of these may still be around. A book from 1927 complains that nearly all stock of L. dauricum was called 'umbellatum' in the trade. At the middle of the century J. deGraff of Oregon Bulb farmes launched a series of "Mid Century Hybrids" They came in various types some of them upright. I have personally grown 'Harmony', 'Destiny', 'Enchantment' and perhaps some more. (The voles took them all   ). All these were 60-100 cm - not higher.

Floras tell us that L. dauricum grows less than a meter - perhaps up to 120cm  - but it has been reported that there are places in Siberia where forms of dauricum grow to 2m. This reflects my hobby horse that botanical description after wild specimen often are misleading since they are of starved plants. In a garden situation they grow taller and have a higher number of flowers. (I also measured a L. bulbiferum v.bulbiferum: 125 cm!).

Notes to the pics:
bulbiferum is very similar to dauricum but there is no wooliness and there are brown bulbils. The papillar arrangement in the nectar furrow is also slightly different.
dauricum. This is a young plant but shows the general look. the buds are fairly woolly.
The rest are old scans of old slides. In the real world Enchantment is more red and Tabasco darker.

Cheers
Göte

PS if anyone still grows 'Destiny' or 'Harmony' I would be interested in a swap.

PPS
A check on google for pictures of Enchantment mostly shows lilies that are NOT Enchantment. The reason is probably that the trade tends to sell anything that has a slight resemblance to the real thing under an established name. All the mid-century hybrids are from an era when colour photography was not as common as today.


  


 
  

[Pascal B]

Could anybody tell me what this Lilium from China could be? Could it be L. duchartrei? Plant is about 40 cm, not erect but hugging the ground so probably growing on slopes in China. Flower is about 5 cm diameter, single, leaves are alternate, broad elliptic, very fragrant in the warm weather we have right now in Holland.
Thanx for any suggestions.

[gote]

Could anybody tell me what this Lilium from China could be? Could it be L. duchartrei? Plant is about 40 cm, not erect but hugging the ground so probably growing on slopes in China. Flower is about 5 cm diameter, single, leaves are alternate, broad elliptic, very fragrant in the warm weather we have right now in Holland.
Thanx for any suggestions.

It is probably duchartreii and it is probably huggiong the ground for some peculiar reason that has to do with the year, your climate or where it is grown. A picture showing the whole plant would be helpful.
Göte

[Pascal B]

It seems to form stem roots so I probably should have planted it in a deeper pot but I doubt it would have made a difference. Most Lilium species that need staking and I have seen in the wild are ones that grow on slopes or find support in short shrubs and this seems to be one of them. I have other Lilium imports that are not yet flowering but have a much bigger central stem and stay upright without a problem. L. nepalense for instance I have seen in the wild and you can't find a single one that stays erect on its own. Although the leaves of this white one are smaller, the general habit is the same. I haven't got time in the next few days to make a picture of the plant so this magnification of an overview picture is all I have.

PS. Never mind all the ziplocks in the picture, they are just to prevent too much evaporation from the pots during absence. It looks unsightly but works well and is the only way I can go on fieldtrips to Asia without a babysit for my Arisaema that might come up while I am gone....;-)

[Tony Willis]

a couple of Lilium martagon,the first from the garden centre and the second from seed collected 1999 on Mt Falackro in northern Greece is ssp cattaniae

Lilium martagon
Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae

[Martin Baxendale]

Very nice martagon cattaniae, Tony - very dark, certainly darker than any of mine.

[Pete Clarke]

Can anyone ID this lily?
Flowering for the first time but I do not know where or when I obtained it, it has quietly appeared amongst my other lily species.
It is approx.60cm tall, strongly & curiously scented & a small trumpet shape. The buds & upper stem are hairy.

Lilium medeoloides flowering for the first time - from AGS seed sown in 2003.
Pete.

[xthomasx]

A very showy Lilium martagon at a roadside along my one of my jogging tracks... Near Schwäbisch Hall, about 80k east of Stuttgart.

[majallison]

@Pete Clarke, your unknown lily could be Lilium kesselringianum (a relation of L monadelphum, from the Caucasus)