Lilium 2010

[bulborum]

Sorry Paul

typing mistake is Asiatic
It's to hot here 34°C

Roland

[Paul T]

No problem, Roland.  Just checking.

-5 here overnight a lot of nights recently, and top of perhaps 15'C if we're lucky.  34'C seems a LONG way off. 

[David Nicholson]

Well done David!

ISTR those were seed from Maggi.

Sorry David I missed this one. You do have a good memory, yes this is from seed Maggi sent to me when I first joined SRGC and is the only plant I have left from that batch. Must sow some more.

[David Pilling]

Sorry David I missed this one. You do have a good memory, yes this is from seed Maggi sent to me when I first joined SRGC and is the only plant I have left from that batch. Must sow some more.

L. Regale produces lots of viable seed, is apomitic, plus offsets, you should be set to have lots more like that one.

[Graham Catlow]

Can someone identify this orange lily for me please.
I bought it from a respectable lily supplier as 'Enchantment' but it turned out not to be anything like the 'Enchantment' I used to grow. This doesn't produce bulbils in the leaf axils which I'm sure 'Enchantment' does.

Graham

Fermi, Ray, Paul, and Roland,
Many thanks for your replies and suggestions. I have Googled both 'Baja' and 'Loreto' and they both look very similar to the one I posted. I realised that it may be difficult to confirm the true identity.
Roland - I will send you PM with a larger picture.

Thanks again everyone.
Graham

[gote]

Some more lilies are starting for me now.
Cernuum has rather a martagon colour but is not more than 40 cm. I have necer seen any beetles on it probably because the leaves are so narrow.
This is "my form" of tsingtauense. It is larger than the typical and slightly assymetrical but not as much as distichum. The colour is very pregnant.It hasthe one whorl habitus of "true" tsingtauense.
I got lijiangense under wrong name but I am very happy with it. note the pedicel shape and the black line in each tepal. It is not difficult from seed.
Amabile luteum - a young plant with only two flower.
I moved my martagon cattaniae so there are not many flowers on them either. It is very difficult to take a picture that shows the correct amount of darkness. This is a little on the light side.
A long tinme ago I got seed named 'martagon hybrids' This is one of them.
Cheers
Göte

[Liz Mills]

I spoke to Margaret and Henry Taylor last night to try to clear up the confusion re the dark pink L mackliniae and here's the story.  A New Zealander, Sashel Dayal, gave Peter Cox seed that he'd collected in Nagaland.  The Taylors got their seed from Peter on 21 January 2000 and had flowered it in time to put seed into the 2003/4 Seed Exchange.  All their plants from then on have been dark pink, Pascal.  They also said that their hybrid 'Tantallon' is a very vigorous plant but is a much paler pink (pinker than the original L mackliniae but not as deep as the x Nagaland form).  Seed of this hybrid and of the x Nagaland form are often offered in the Club's Seed Exchange. 

[Martin Baxendale]

Wow, Gote - that martagon hybrid is a lovely combination of colours...very zingy!    I'm rushing out now to put some tsingtaunse pollen onto my darkest martagons to try to get something similar (so far I've been pollinating paler martagons with tsingtauense, but your hybrid photo has made me lust after that striking colour combination!

[Pascal B]

I spoke to Margaret and Henry Taylor last night to try to clear up the confusion re the dark pink L mackliniae and here's the story.  A New Zealander, Sashel Dayal, gave Peter Cox seed that he'd collected in Nagaland.  The Taylors got their seed from Peter on 21 January 2000 and had flowered it in time to put seed into the 2003/4 Seed Exchange.  All their plants from then on have been dark pink, Pascal.  They also said that their hybrid 'Tantallon' is a very vigorous plant but is a much paler pink (pinker than the original L mackliniae but not as deep as the x Nagaland form).  Seed of this hybrid and of the x Nagaland form are often offered in the Club's Seed Exchange. 

Hi Liz, thanks for clarifying, I already wondered when Cox went to Nagaland because I only knew of their trips to Arunachal which is at the other side of the river valley but this explains it and both sources have the same origin. Might be hard to get that particular seed from the seedex now......, everybody wanting it.... Anyway, will try to order it in the autumn....

[bulborum]

Hello Maggi

How comes that the pictures from Hakone
are so large or is it my computer
here they are not small as usual

Roland

[Diane Clement]

They also said that their hybrid 'Tantallon' is a very vigorous plant but is a much paler pink (pinker than the original L mackliniae but not as deep as the x Nagaland form).  Seed of this hybrid and of the x Nagaland form are often offered in the Club's Seed Exchange.   

Thanks for trying to sort this out, Liz.  However, I am still confused as I thought the "Tantallon" hyb WAS the original x Nagaland (which is why it's pale pink!).  Are there two different hybrids?  (I suppose they are not technically hybrids, just crosses of colour forms within the species). 

[Pascal B]

It would definitely be interesting to see a picture of the "Tantallon" mackliniae to see how pink it is because the plant from Cox I flowered was pale pink but not whitish pink as I see on most pictures of this species on the internet. Does anybody know the story of the original introduction? Or is there no "one" introduction but several?

[Maggi Young]

They also said that their hybrid 'Tantallon' is a very vigorous plant but is a much paler pink (pinker than the original L mackliniae but not as deep as the x Nagaland form).  Seed of this hybrid and of the x Nagaland form are often offered in the Club's Seed Exchange.   

Thanks for trying to sort this out, Liz.  However, I am still confused as I thought the "Tantallon" hyb WAS the original x Nagaland (which is why it's pale pink!).  Are there two different hybrids?  (I suppose they are not technically hybrids, just crosses of colour forms within the species). 

But need they even be hybrids? Why not simple colour variants?

[Maggi Young]

Hello Maggi

How comes that the pictures from Hakone
are so large or is it my computer
here they are not small as usual

Roland

Roland, Hakone has uploaded the photos from an outside server and so they are shown full size and they are larger than we usually see, on the Forum.
The photos are not loaded as thumbnail size as we are used to but there are several Forumists who use this method .

[Pascal B]

But need they even be hybrids? Why not simple colour variants?

As far as I know both the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (ICBN) and the International Code of Nomenclature of Cultivated Plants (ICNCP) define a hybrid only as a cross between 2 species. Geographically Mt Javpo in Nagaland and the Ukhrul district of Manipur (where the holotype comes from) are not that far apart so it would be very likely the old light pink and the new dark pink are colour variants.

So "Tantallon" would be a cross between 2 colour variants of the same species and only if distinct enough could be given the cultivar status with that name. Lilium x "Tantallon" therefore would certainly be incorrect and I even doubt an intermediate colourform is distinct enough to be granted a cultivar status.