Galanthus identification needed

[johnw]

I have taken 25 years to tackle this mess.

ID #1

These were received many years ago as "ikariae (?)" ex Don Armstrong.  

johnw

[johnw]

ID#2

These were received as "Latifolius (as ikariae) ?" ex Don Armstrong.

Leaves very dark green and shiny.  I don't recall the flowers.

johnw

[johnw]

ID#3

Received simply as "Latifolius Group (grey)" ex Al Smith.  Puzzling as he has a huge patch of elwesii and certainly knew the name in the early 90's when he gave me this.  Why he called it this baffles me but to me it's straight elwesii.

johnw

[johnw]

ID#4

Received as "Latifolius (type #2) smaller".

johnw

[mark smyth]

woronowii and I'm sure others will agree tend to have small marks that can be two marks at the sinus or a fat bold B. I'll look up some photos

I agree your ID 3 look mlike elwesii

[johnw]

woronowii and I'm sure others will agree tend to have small marks that can be two marks at the sinus or a fat bold B. I'll look up some photos

Which one?

johnw

[mark smyth]

couldnt tell you without seeing the inside.

The books says about ikariae - it is not variable in cultivation with most having  a green mark taking extending to 1/3^rd to .5 of the inner petal. Aaron Davis says the mark is always large surface area

woronowii has a mark that takes up 1/5^th. Aaron Davis says the mark is most often two distinct marks. a more or less horseshoe or a larger flat top or very reduced. I've never seen the horseshoe

[mark smyth]

Do you have a copy of Aaron Davis book Galanthus?
http://www.amazon.ca/Genus-Galanthus-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/0881924318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264355920&sr=1-1

188 Canadian dollars 

[johnw]

Do you have a copy of Aaron Davis book Galanthus?
http://www.amazon.ca/Genus-Galanthus-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/0881924318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264355920&sr=1-1

188 Canadian dollars 

I do but got it for considerably less than that when it first came out.  A bit confusing on the woronwii/ikariae front - on various pages medium green/dark green/shiny/matte. Now wonder I have avoided this business.

johnw

[mark smyth]

Here's a good selection of my woronowii photos

[Martin Baxendale]

Here's a pic of mine from the old forum showing typical ikariae. The clump is a little drawn up because it was growing in a shady spot. Usually a bit shorter than this.

[mark smyth]

Here's a typical ikariae flower and the leaf of the cultivar Seersucker and Butts Form

[mark smyth]

 ... I do have a photo of a wornowii with a horseshoe mark or is it ikariae

[Martin Baxendale]

... I do have a photo of a wornowii with a horseshoe mark or is it ikariae

It's woronowii. The shape of the outer segments is wrong for ikariae. Too rounded. Ikariae always has long, pointed outer segments. Also the proportion of outer segment length to inner segment length is wrong for ikariae.

[Martin Baxendale]

Unfortunately the clump of ikariae I photographed a few years ago was hit by disease a couple of years ago and I only managed to save a couple of bulbs, which I'm building back up again by chipping.