Fritillaria 2010

[Maggi Young]

That double of yours really wants to be a tulip, doesn't it?

Your last Frit. is indeed the Alaskan form of F. camschatensis.

[gote]

That double of yours really wants to be a tulip, doesn't it?

Your last Frit. is indeed the Alaskan form of F. camschatensis.

I think it does or perhaps an artichoke. (Megalomania) 

Thank you I thought so
Göte

[Lesley Cox]

All my so-called Alaskan form of F. cams... are green/black rather than red/black. So what.....?

[Stephenb]

Göte: Fantastic pictures - particularly like the yellow, don't think I've seen such a nice group of this one before! Must try that one again... I also had a green form briefly, but I lost it.

Are Alaskan forms always more open flowering? Is that the only distinguishing feature (a forumist kindly sent me masses of wild collected Alaskan seed in the winter). My interest of course is in the earlier widespread use of this species for food...

[Susan Band]

Hi,
There is variety in the Frits from Alaska, although they all have more green and are smaller than the siberian one. The larger dark one tends to send out more stolons and less flowering stalks, the leaves are larger as well. You know when you have both types they are very distinct. Sorry but I don't seem to have a picture, I will see if it is still flowering this afternoon.
Susan

[Ian Y]

There is no doubt at all about it being the Alaskan form.
As Susan says they are very distinct in the flower shape as well as the colour the Alaskan form always having some degree of green something I have never seen in the Asian forms.
We often perceive the colour as black but careful observation will show that it is really a deep dark maroon.

Check out the pictures on  Bulb log 21
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2010May281275048030BULB_LOG__2110.pdf

or an earlier one here.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/290508/log.html
where you can compare the two types.

[Lesley Cox]

Thanks for the references Ian and the comparative pictures. I didn't make the comparison at the time, never having questioned what mine were, until Gote's comment. Mine are under at present of course and I'll check carefully in the late spring - even up until Christmas we have F. cams.. in flower. But I'm pretty sure mine ARE the Alakan form, with the widely flaring bells. I don't have the other, except perhaps as seedlings, unflowered. There's no vestige of red at all, in mine, just the green shade, darkening to almost black.

[Janis Ruksans]

All my so-called Alaskan form of F. cams... are green/black rather than red/black. So what.....?

My Alaskian plants are dark, but not so dark as from opposite side of Pacific. They are something more reddish shaded. Flowers are something more open, but no so dramatically as in Gote's plants.
Janis

[Stephenb]

So, what's the verdict on my plant:

[Maggi Young]

So, what's the verdict on my plant:

I'd  say Asian, Stephen.

[Maggi Young]

So, what's the verdict on my plant:

I'd  say Asian, Stephen.

HaHA, the BD has just looked and said he thinks it may just be an Alaskan!! 

[Maggi Young]

Following my mention of the "BD" , a digression topic began on the subject which may be followed here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5621.0 

[art600]

Could someone please identify this Fritillaria.

Thanks in advance

[Maggi Young]

This, with the little "antlers", is most likely to be F. pontica, Art.

[art600]

Maggi

That is what the label said, so I am delighted for confirmation.