Paeonia 2010

[Kimjy]

Olga ,

I had yesterday a long phone call about your plant with a other german plant friend ....we are still puzzling ...

I have also asked him about P.x smouthii and he told me it is not so high as P.tenuifolia

Anyway - your plant is beautiful 
Hans

Yes it;'s really very special. Adelmans in USA report Smouthii height as 36inches - taller than tenuifolia - but who knows whether theirs is what it purports to be either !! but really with a plant so beautiful I would just appreciate it for what it is - and hope it sets some seeds !! Taller plant and finely divided leaves are a very attractive combination. Vigour is often associated with hybridization so I still think a 1.35m height with this presentation suggests some gene mixing - maybe the bees were behind the result ? I would not complain any way you look at it even if it remains an enigma !   

[Maggi Young]

Ian will be at Gardening Scotland for the BBC over the weekend and I have prepared a note for him of plants to look out for on the Binny's stall! Hope he a) remembers to look and b) is successful! 

[iann]

Maybe not subtle but gorgeous!  Is that Rimpo?

The thread has moved on a little, but yes that is Rimpo.

[Hans J]

today is flowering very late a peony for me  

It is a bit puzzling for me  
the flowers a pretty dark ( similar like a P.delavayii ) but it is without doubt not a P.delavayii
The plants have a height of 80 cm ....and the flowers are small ( 3,5 cm diameter )
I have received this plant as P.potanini red ....

My other P.potanini ( f.alba + a selfgrown seedling have flowered one month earlier ...that really a surprise !
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4975.msg151812#msg151812


Paonia potaninii "red" (....maybe this is a P.delavayi v.angustilobia )

Hans

[Gail]

Hans, it looks similar to one I've grown from seed that was labelled P. delavayi Potaninii Group.  Later flowering than most of my delavayi group.  I've just nipped out to take photos but it is windy today so not good quality...

The other plant is one I bought in 2005 from Pottertons as P. potaninii ACE 1047 (although I think second generation).  Nice fine leaves on this one.  It flowered for the first time last year and I was amazed that it didn't open until July.  It is still in tight bud now but looks as though will open before end of month!

[Hans J]

Gail , it's interesting !

grows your plant single or make it suckers ?
single is typical for P.delavayi
suckers are typical P.potanini

what is the height of your plant ?

I do not understand why the white flowering form is one month earlier  .....

[Gail]

70 cm tall and no suckers so far.

[Hans J]

Gail ...

wait ....either it is in next years 1,5 m .....or it has suckers !

[PeterT]

I remember P potaninii in the garden when I was a child as small, late flowering and very upright, stiff upright branches. Our plant was about four feet tall, (a little over 1meter) and 10 or twelve years old. It had small dark red flowers with a black centre (the anthers? (memory from 25 years)) The petals overlaped each other as in Hans'spicture but not Gail's. we did have another short suckering tree paeony, but of the shrubby ones, no other was so small or neat in growth.The leaves were finely cut and small for a tree paeony. Now I am growing a young ACE plant from Pottertons which is similar, I seem to remember him telling me there were different coulor strains or else that the coulor was variable. when I came accross the plant more recently, yellow flowerd varients were a great surprise!

[Hans J]

Knows maybe anyone what means

ACE 1047 ?

[johnw]

ACE = AGS CHINA EXPEDITION IN 1994.

Hans  - the species of number 1047 was still not identified in the sheet the AGS put out 1997.

johnw

[Hans J]

Many thanks John !

[Diane Clement]

ACE = AGS CHINA EXPEDITION IN 1994.
Hans  - the species of number 1047 was still not identified in the sheet the AGS put out 1997.  johnw  

I have the field notes for all the ACE collection, quoted below if you are interested.

ACE 1047  Paeonia potaninii
Yunnan, Western Hils Forest Park.  2.400m. among limestone rocks.  Woody based sub-shrub to 60cm with long suckering shoots.  Flowers yellow, seeds black.  Collected 20.9.94

As Gail says, as she bought it from Pottertons in 2005, then it is almost certainly at least second generation so perhaps should be labelled
ex ACE 1047

[johnw]

Diane - Was a more recent sheet sent out?  There are very few numbers on the one I received in 1997.  I'd be interested in it if it's emailable.

johnw

[Hans J]

Diane :

many thanks -thats interesting !

  ..but not P.delavayi ( suckering shoots + yellow flowers + 60 cm )
maybe P.lutea or P.trollioides

Gail :

I hope your plants has also yellow flowers !!!