Aquilegia atropurpurea and Aquilegia viridiflora

[TheOnionMan]

Josef, are those pages only available in Russian?  At the root of that site, there is an option for English, but clicking it, many or most of the links disappear, so I assume only a small portion of the site is available in English.
http://www-sbras.nsc.ru/en/

[Great Moravian]

Josef, are those pages only available in Russian?  At the root of that site, there is an option for English, but clicking it, many or most of the links disappear, so I assume only a small portion of the site is available in English.
http://www-sbras.nsc.ru/en/

It is written in Russian. The source of the information was translated and already published in English.
Friesen, Aquilegia. In: Malyshev, Peshkova, Flora of Siberia, 6. Science Publishers, Enfield 2003.
Perhaps you can borrow it in a public library. There are 14 volumes of the Flora of Siberia.

[TheOnionMan]

Josef, are those pages only available in Russian?  At the root of that site, there is an option for English, but clicking it, many or most of the links disappear, so I assume only a small portion of the site is available in English.
http://www-sbras.nsc.ru/en/

It is written in Russian. The source of the information was translated and already published in English.
Friesen, Aquilegia. In: Malyshev, Peshkova, Flora of Siberia, 6. Science Publishers, Enfield 2003.
Perhaps you can borrow it in a public library. There are 14 volumes of the Flora of Siberia.

Thanks for the citation.  Maybe I'll write to Dr. Nikolai Friesen to see if he has a PDF to share on Aquilegia. Plus he is one of the the world's experts on Allium, found the following site with lots of downloadable PDFs, mostly on his works on Allium, was happy to find the 3-installment treatment of Allium in 2001 Flora of Siberia; PDFs specifically on Aquilegia where not found there, but I'll ask.
http://www.biologie.uni-osnabrueck.de/bogos/?mg=10;b=wir_ueber_uns/friesen/l_i_s_t__of__p_u_b_l_i_k_a_t_i_o.htm

[Great Moravian]

Helen,
If you are an Aquilegia enthusiast, you might enjoy the following pages of Robert Hoeck
http://www.edelbrandbrennerei.at/page11.php
His Aquilegia jonesii is a superb clump. He lives in the mountains in Tirol.

[TheOnionMan]

In addition to Josef's link to Robert Hoeck's web site (which I fully agree, it is a great site from a person with passion for aquilegia), the following link goes through microsoft translator.
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=BVNav&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edelbrandbrennerei.at%2Fpage11.php

Robert has produced an eye-catching 6-minute YouTube video with a musical soundtrack showing Aquilegia hybrids and species.  Be sure to watch for a hybrid he produced of A. fragrans x chrysantha (it is to die for gorgeous), some rare species like the two-toned yellow A. hinckleyana, along with more hybrids like the nodding red 'Crimson Lady'.  Note:  from the translated website above, the video links do not work for me, so I embed the video here.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyWumbLjEq0[/youtube]

[maggiepie]

Josef,

Thank you very much for the link.
What a wonderful collection of aquilegias.
The blue and yellow one he thinks is A. jucunda is wonderful.
Some of my favourites though are his hybrids.
I would love to try some crosses after seeing his, unfortunately, the wee harlequin stinkbugs ruin most of my seed.


Mark, am saving the youtube vids for later on, am in serious aquilegia overload at the moment 

[Armin]

The web side from Robert Hoeck very useful!
It is stored in my favourites now.
Thanks Josef.

[Great Moravian]

McMark,
Do you think his Aquilegia saximontana is really the species or not
http://www.edelbrandbrennerei.at/attachments/Image/saximontana.JPG
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4285285548_8393bbb66c_o.jpg
It is a pygmy plant of 6 cm height and the white margin is not sharply
delimited, which speaks pro, but the spurs are merely
slightly divergent, which speaks contra.

[Great Moravian]

Maybe I'll write to Dr. Nikolai Friesen to see if he has a PDF to share on Aquilegia. PDFs specifically on Aquilegia where not found there, but I'll ask.

I am interested for his argumentation there for the distinctness of Aquilegia atropurpurea and Aquilegia viridiflora at specific level. Provided there is any in the treatment. There is no one in Flora of China for the contrary.

[TheOnionMan]

McMark,
Do you think his Aquilegia saximontana is really the species or not
http://www.edelbrandbrennerei.at/attachments/Image/saximontana.JPG
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4285285548_8393bbb66c_o.jpg
It is a pygmy plant of 6 cm height and the white margin is not sharply
delimited, which speaks pro, but the spurs are merely
slightly divergent, which speaks contra.

Josef, I saw those two pics on Robert Hoeck's web site, and was wondering the same thing.  On the US Forest Service link in the Aquilegia saximontona topic, the first photo on that site shows a similar flower having only "slightly divergent" spurs.  The flowers do have spurs that only slightly inroll at the ends, and show the characteristic soft color transition from blue to white in the cup, and the narrow urn-shape to the cup.  The foliage also looks saximontana-like, with those forward-facing narrow leaf lobes.

So, it is either a form of A. saximontana, or possibly a hybrid with that species that has retained much of the saximontana characteristics. 

[TheOnionMan]

Maybe I'll write to Dr. Nikolai Friesen to see if he has a PDF to share on Aquilegia. PDFs specifically on Aquilegia where not found there, but I'll ask.

I am interested for his argumentation there for the distinctness of Aquilegia atropurpurea and Aquilegia viridiflora at specific level. Provided there is any in the treatment. There is no one in Flora of China for the contrary.

I will post back here if I find out anything.

[TheOnionMan]

I have heard back from Dr. Nikolai Friesen (PD Dr. Nikolai Friesen, Curator Botanical Garden of the University of Osnabrueck), here is what he has to report:

In the attachment please find the PDF file of Aquilegia from English version of Flora Siberia. I think Aquilegia atropurpurea and A. viridiflora a good species. It is also one more species from this group described - Aquilegia burjatica. Some taxa groups in Flora of China and Flora of Siberia have different species level.

In the botanical key, it comes down to the three species mentioned by Dr. Friesen; A. atropurpurea, viridiflora, and burjatica.  Since this is newer than Flora of China, I plan on going with this botanical treatment.

Thanks for Dr. Friesen for his willingness and generosity to share this information.  Since the SRGC Forum has a file attachment limitation of 500 KB, and the PDF is about 4 times that size I have uploaded it to my website for download for students of Aquilegia:
http://www.plantbuzz.com/buzz/Aquilegia%20in%20Flora%20Siberia%20Vol7resize.pdf

[Maggi Young]

Folks, to make the document kindly shared  by Dr Friesen easier to download I have resized  it and split it in two parts..... each well below the 500kb limit.....

Aquilegia in Flora Siberia (Vol 7) .. parts 1 and 2

 Aquilegia in Flora Siberia Vol7resize_Part1.pdf (367.13 kB - downloaded 181 times.)

 Aquilegia in Flora Siberia Vol7resize_Part2.pdf (262.64 kB - downloaded 159 times.)

[maggiepie]

Maggi, thanks muchly

[RobGrandiflorus]

Hi,
You should also take a look to the brandnew video about columbine collection 2010.
Have you ever seen a Aquilegia longissima with such long spurs?
Aquilegia viridiflora/ atropurpurea is also on it and a dubious Aquilegia kuhistanica... dubious because its not mentioned in Nolds Monography.
I dont know how to put a video into this but hopefully it works