Galanthus anomalies- "wrong" flowers

[Paddy Tobin]

Natalia,

Many thanks for posting your interesting snowdrops. I think the "pagoda" is very beautiful and the G. woronowii with yellow markings also.

Many thanks, Paddy

[KentGardener]

Hi Natalia

welcome to the Galanthus area - I have not noticed your name here before.  

I too am interested in the odd flowers that can occur.  Like Mark has mentioned many of them never do it again, as I have found myself when growing bulbs on in my garden and find that they are 'normal' in the following years.  

Here is one I saw in 2008 that you may like, I have the bulbs in my garden - but they have not repeated the strange behavior again.  

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1289.msg32176;topicseen#msg32176


And as Emma has already mentioned - that 'turban' looking one is lovely.     (but could just be an aged flower as Mark says).

edit: I've just noticed that the 'turban' is four petalled    even nicer.  

[Lesley Cox]

This is an entirely personal opinion and feel free to slam me for it if you wish, but I think such "deviations" whether caused by weather, virus, insect attack, fungus, just a fork through the bulb or whatever, are NOT to be encouraged and it pleases me that such bulbs are generally "true" in subsequent years. To value such aberrations seems to me akin to valuing a lamb born with 5 legs, or being delighted that one's child has a physical defect.

[Natalia]

Paddy, Many thanks for the comments.
 There is a possibility that form G. woronowii "turban" it is steady enough - we find not a single plant, and several separate clamp. But I hung this picture as an illustration - flower has four petals.
 G. woronowii with yellow markings two years in a garden, it is selected in wild population, and this year has blossomed keeping colour. Now I wait, when its children will blossom. If colour is same - I hope, it will be possible to tell about the steady form.

John, thanks for warm reception:)
 I am glad to be present at such interesting forum.

Your snowdrop very interesting, probably similar changes speak about the latent possibilities of this grade.
Dmitry Zubov said that this breach in the development of the flower. I wonder - at what stage does this happen?

I am sorry, if I confuse terms.

[Natalia]

Lesley, I'm not saying that this is a new selection in this offense, not the form.

 Stable form may be G. woronowii with yellow markings. But this must be confirmed - yet this is only my wish and nothing more
 Because the theme and named - "Wrong" flowers snowdrops.

It is possible that the existence of such violations shows just how volatile this or that population Galanthus.

[daveyp1970]

Natalia is there any chance i could get some Galanthus krasnovii seed if your plants produce any.

[Oakwood]

Your snowdrop very interesting, probably similar changes speak about the latent possibilities of this grade.
Dmitry Zubov said that this breach in the development of the flower. I wonder - at what stage does this happen?

Nathalia, I never told that really about double forms  In John's pic it is stable mutation. But your turbaned woronowii could be due to simply some epigenetic mechanisms 

[Natalia]

Dimitri, a form of John's stable? Excellent!  And why he has since such does not happen again? 

 The shape of "turban" - realized that it was some kind of violation.


What kind of epigenetic mechanisms may well operate?

[Natalia]

Interesting supervision: the quantity of defects in 2009 was smaller than in 2010, and types of defects - others.
 Difference - autumn 2009 - a strong drought and fires in mountains.

[Oakwood]

Nathalia - the main known epigenetic mechanism are Imprinting, some genes' group silencing, position-effect variegation, etc. many others.

[Tony Willis]

last year two bulbs of Galanthus elwesii ,same clone, produced flowers with only two petals and I though fame had arrived but this year both flowers are back to normal.

Picture from last year

[KentGardener]

That's a shame Tony - but so weird that both separate bulbs only had 2 petals each.

[Alan_b]

last year two bulbs of Galanthus elwesii ,same clone, produced flowers with only two petals and I though fame had arrived but this year both flowers are back to normal.

Maybe you have a bulb with a propensity to produce flowers with two petals?

[Jo]

Ha ha Alan

Would root ginger come into Zingiberaceae  , in which case we could swop recipes Maggie

[johnw]

That's a shame Tony - but so weird that both separate bulbs only had 2 petals each.

Probably feeding it half strength.

johnw