Trillium 2010

[TheOnionMan]

It all comes down to the climate in which we garden ,i guess--not having to worry about drought i sow all my Trillium seed in pots of various sizes, even very small ones ,(see pics below of the current crop).

Dave, you have a lot of Trillium seedlings there! Your techniques obviously work well for you.

Earlier in this thread I posted photos of what I thought might be a T. vaseyi hybrid; everyone told me it wasn't a hybrid, that it was T. vaseyi.  That may indeed be the case, although I'm still puzzled to have a seedling grow nearly twice as large as regular T. vaseyi, with much larger foliage; perhaps just part of the genetics?  Anyway, my two stems of regular T. vaseyi had pods, one of the very few Trillium that made seed this terribly hot and dry year, and while the pods made much fewer seed than normal, I sowed them around the parent plant.  Then, I've been waiting and waiting for the robust single-stem T. vaseyi to ripen its pod... the pod 2x to 3x the size of normal vaseyi, and ripening more than a month later.

On Saturday, I went to a seedling sale at a local NARGS meeting event with a friend, she saw the pod and suggested I harvest it soon, I agreed it was ready to pick and sow, but by the time I came back from the meeting a few hours later, the pod was gone, no doubt eaten by squirrels, my arch nemesis... managed to find a mere 3 seeds on the surface of the soil (which I sowed ), when there were perhaps 100 or more seeds in the pod... &%$#&! varmints!

[Maggi Young]

........ I've been waiting and waiting for the robust single-stem T. vaseyi to ripen its pod... the pod 2x to 3x the size of normal vaseyi, and ripening more than a month later.

On Saturday, I went to a seedling sale at a local NARGS meeting event with a friend, she saw the pod and suggested I harvest it soon, I agreed it was ready to pick and sow, but by the time I came back from the meeting a few hours later, the pod was gone, no doubt eaten by squirrels, my arch nemesis... managed to find a mere 3 seeds on the surface of the soil (which I sowed ), when there were perhaps 100 or more seeds in the pod... &%$#&! varmints!

Don't you just HATE it when that happens?  

 We already have a variation on the  "see a pin....." saying.... "see a weed and pull it up, all day long you'll have good luck"...... we really should have another pithy  saying for seed collection...........

[fermi de Sousa]

We already have a variation on the  "see a pin....." saying.... "see a weed and pull it up, all day long you'll have good luck"...... we really should have another pithy  saying for seed collection...........

"A seed in the pot is worth 2 in the pod"?
"A seedpod left too long will be a squirrel's supper"?  
cheers
fermi

[Maggi Young]

"A seed in the pot is worth 2 in the pod"?

Liking that one, fermi!

"A seedpod left too long will be a squirrel's supper"?

Very true.... but how about  "a seedpod left too long soon will be long gone"  



Maybe the volunteers for the Seed Exchange should be getting T-shirts made with these mottos!

[Maggi Young]

Friends, I've just received this phot for a Triilium ID :
The  message was "The label is lost and the bed in question has both T. albidum and T.chloropetalum in it.

My guess is that this is a white form of chloropetalum, but I could be persuaded that it was albidum

What do you think?"

 My powers of Trillium ID are weak to say the least.... so can you Forumists help identify this undoubtedly beautiful form?





 

[TheOnionMan]

Maggi, a lovely trillium whatever it is.  Is the pink hue accurate flower color or caused by the photograph or lighting?

I almost forgot to post photos of this unusual Trillium cultivar, a double to triple leaf form, T. cuneatum 'Julia'.  Apparently it is unusual for double leaf forms, in that it is a fast propagator, spreading into beautiful clumps.  The flowering stems are typically double-leaved, whereas some of the younger non-flowering stems are sometimes triple-leaved. I'm very please to have received a couple nice offsets this year.

[Maggi Young]

Is the pink hue accurate flower color or caused by the photograph or lighting?

I think the pink appearance is caused by the reflection of the deep colour in the throat, McMark.




'Julia' is delightful- I have never seen such a thing - the effect of the "extra" foliage when seen in a clump  is most attractive.

[daveyp1970]

Maggi, a lovely trillium whatever it is.  Is the pink hue accurate flower color or caused by the photograph or lighting?

I almost forgot to post photos of this unusual Trillium cultivar, a double to triple leaf form, T. cuneatum 'Julia'.  Apparently it is unusual for double leaf forms, in that it is a fast propagator, spreading into beautiful clumps.  The flowering stems are typically double-leaved, whereas some of the younger non-flowering stems are sometimes triple-leaved. I'm very please to have received a couple nice offsets this year.

Mark thats a belter of a plant.It makes such a pleasing clump.

[annew]

Maggi, your mystery plant looks similar to this one of mine. It came from seed as T. albidum, but the donor of the seeds when shown the plant said he thought it had hybridised with chloropetalum. I think it is a beautiful flower, and is nicely scented of roses, but does not set seed, which supports the hypothesis that it is a hybrid.

[Maggi Young]

Yes , Anne, I see the similarities. I do think that it likely is a hybrid - I don't know whether it sets seeds for the grower.

I do love such trillium.... especially for their scent.

[kiwi]

Some beautiful stuff above guys, I'm dribbling!

Two nice T. chloropetalum out now.
First two flowers on a batch of 5 year old T.chloropetalum seedlings. Look forward to next year.

[John Aipassa]

Friends, I've just received this phot for a Triilium ID :
The  message was "The label is lost and the bed in question has both T. albidum and T.chloropetalum in it.

My guess is that this is a white form of chloropetalum, but I could be persuaded that it was albidum

What do you think?"

 My powers of Trillium ID are weak to say the least.... so can you Forumists help identify this undoubtedly beautiful form?

Hi Maggi,

It is most probably a hybrid between the two mentioned species (albidum x chloropetalum).

Cheers,

John

[Maggi Young]

Thanks,  Anne and John 

[John Aipassa]

Thanks,  Anne and John 

No problem Maggi, but.......

With Western sessiles you'll never know. Hybrids, intermediates, etc are very common also in the wild, making a proper determination very difficult. If I look at the ovary, it has a lot of chloropetalum characteristics (dark and purple). Albidum's ovary is more a greenish or pinkish white, but no dark pigmentation. So it could be chloropetalum after all. Maybe it is better not to try to determine these garden specimens and only enjoy their beauty. You might get puzzled 

Cheers,

[Maggi Young]

John, I spend half my life in a state of puzzlement over plant indentifications.... as you so rightly say, there is a wealth of natural variation to be condsidered, even before any possible hybridity is taken into the reckoning. 
Frankly I doubt that anyone can be categorial about ID in most cases.... no matter what the plants.