Fritillaria I/D

[Mike Ireland]

Grown from seed and flowering now.  I am really good at losing labels, any help would be much appreciated.

Mike

[Ian Y]

Hi Mike, I would suggest that Fritillaria kotschyana is the most likely ID of your plant from what I can see in the picture.

[Mike Ireland]

Thanks Ian, I'll photograph the inside if possible.

Mike

[Mike Ireland]

Ian, a close up of Fritillaria kotschyanus.  Does this help with the ID.

Mike

[Gerry Webster]

Relying on the old Flora of the USSR it appears to be F. kotschyana; trifid style & small nectaries.

[Martinr]

Here's another one needing a name. It is seed grown (1998) and the packet said F. graeca but I'm no Frit expert. The bottom leaves on the stem are in a ring of 4 with those further up the stem in a spiral. The foliage is fairly glaucus.

[Ian Y]

Martin your frit belongs to another one of those very confusing taxonomic groups.
I would say it is Fritillaria montana but there is a whole heap of them that I have never been able to completely sort out.
 

[Gerry Webster]

I agree with Ian - F. montana group, but which one - who knows?. Certainly not F. graeca.

[Lesley Cox]

Probably not ruthenica from the montana group. The top leaflets aren't curled.

[Martinr]

Thanks all, I feel a new label coming up. F. Sp., aff montana

[Sinchets]

This one was posted in the main Frit page. I thought at first F.messanensis, but I am still unsure of its id. The style is 3 divided.

[ashley]

It's a nice one Simon but certainly very different from what I have as messanensis; far shorter and with a broader, as you say, 'boxier' flower. 
F. kotschyana maybe, e.g. like here?

[Gerry Webster]

This doesn't look like F. messanensis & the leaves seem too narrow for F. kotschyana. The patterning of the flower & the  somewhat glaucous appearance of the leaves together with the trifid style might suggest F. graeca. What are the nectaries like Simon?

[Sinchets]

Thanks, Ashley- it does look rather like the pic in the PC link.
Thanks, Gerry. I will look at the nectaries tomorrow. Should F.graeca have larger necatries and F.kotschyana smaller ones? It's quite hard to see in the books I have.

[Gerry Webster]

Simon - see reply 03 above for the nectaries of F. kotschyana - quite small & roundish. In F. graeca they are somewhat larger & lanceolate.