Roses-2010

[Regelian]

..and you realise that all of this is Jamie's fault (  )
Duchesse de Montebello is always my favourite, Cramosie Picotee is a total waste of space.

I happily take the blame!     Beautiful.......

[arillady]

While looking for a particular rose in my listing of photos taken at Sangerhausen in 2002 I came across a slide of Belle Rosine which I commented at the time looked like Charles de Mills . Anyone grow both? What are the differences? There is a large question mark hanging over the name Charles de Mills as it kind of came into literature fairly late. It was never in the early catalogues here in Australia yet we have large old plantings of it in cemeteries with a German/Prussian background.
I have not yet gone through my early cats to find Belle Rosine yet.

[zephirine]

There is quite a bit of confusion, Pat, I agree. 'Charles de Mills'original name is usually considered to be 'Bizarre Triomphant'. And HMF says 'Belle Rosine' in Sangerhausen and in commerce is not the true 'Belle Rosine' by Vibert...some pictures in their database show a rose of a lighter pink than CDM...
A few more oldies, just for the pleasure of the eyes? (sorry I can't send you their wonderful scent...)


 

[Arykana]

+That which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet."  Charles de Mills'  is a 'wantus tomovus inmygardenus" type

originaly was a white rose
Eden
Honore de Balzac
Kimono
Charles de Gaull
nameless but loved

[arillady]

'Belle Rosine' was on the lists of the F. C. Davis nursery here in Adelaide, South Australia in 1862 and 63.
One that continues to crop up in those early cats is Boula de Nanteuil, and to a lesser extent Grandidissima and La Moskowa in the right colour to be a contender.
'Bizarre Triomphant' is not on any.
I have scanned my slide of Belle Rosine taken in ER and attached. Yes like most large collections there is always the risk of incorrect roses going under a certain name. I did notice as I was labelling my slides from ER that a large number were incorrect.
As we are fairly limited in our early European roses here in Australia it is good to see pictures of roses that we do not know - to help identify found roses.

[arillady]

Arykana - are you saying that Charles de Mills spreads himself around too much?

[Arykana]

Arykana - are you saying that Charles de Mills spreads himself around too much?

no, I mean Charles de Mills missing from my garden this type of rose is not common in Hungary - very rare and expensive
I had a chance last year to get a Chippendale
I could make 'engraft'/?/ , but if the bud/eye /which is the correct?/ is missing..................................
i had to learn engrafting, because many times I have bougth a rose, and became a total different I wanted

[zephirine]

'Charles de Mills', if grown own root, is definitely a mad suckerer...as most, if not all, gallica roses!

[Arykana]

my other dream is Goeff Hamilton



What is you mean -  definitely a mad suckerer... - i do not understand

[zephirine]

Sorry, Arykana: I mean it spreads a lot, by growing new shoots (suckers) from its roots, all around. A friend of mine has a (own root, not grafted) CDM with branches coming from the ground all through a disk of about 3m diameter!

[Arykana]

Wonderful habit , I have to get one and a new garden for him

[zephirine]

  In fact, my friend complains a lot about it, threatening to dig it off every year, since the new shoots sprout even through the neighbouring path, and she has a habit of walking in her gardens bare footed!
But each year, when it blooms, she forgives all its sins...
I couldn't be without CDM myself...a perfection of a rose, in its way...and the fragrance!...

[Arykana]

Where are you live exactly? My husband just filled up the car - CDM was love in the first site

[zephirine]

About half-way between Lyon and Grenoble...I wave my hand through the window....do you see me?  

[Arykana]

Yes, I do! Thank you!