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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2010, 10:12:49 AM »
yes... definitely a stunning pulchellus !  ;D
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2010, 10:22:32 AM »
I should go to the croconuts. It`s a fine world of autumn colors. Here are only a few crocus banaticus.

Hagen,
you are welcome any time! ;) Beside your nice dark and bicolored forms of C. banaticus your striped one is something special :o 8)
I think it is worth to propagate it. :D
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2010, 10:24:43 AM »
OK - when roused from my senile slumbers, I agree that C. pulchellus is more likely. Still a superb crocus.
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2010, 10:26:53 AM »
A couple of drooling folks here in Aberdeen for the beauty of the pucluellus' markings and for the really lovely photos, Melvyn... that is a GEM!
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2010, 10:29:33 AM »
Hagen, I must disagree with all the plaudits for your "striped" banaticus, even from Janis....... to my eye it is diseased and I would burn it.  Sorry, but that is my opinion.
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2010, 11:16:41 AM »
Thank you all for the very positive remarks about the Crocus photos. Tony, how kind of you to assume that I really knew that it was C.pulchellus! it was really based on a quick assumption and I will certainly take your advice and check the corm later. Thanks to you and Armin for correctly identifying it, perhaps I should stick to Cyclamen from here on where I will be on slightly firmer ground.....
Melvyn - you are among friends here .... and we all want to see more of you crocuses and your cyclamen!

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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2010, 11:29:20 AM »
Hagen, I must disagree with all the plaudits for your "striped" banaticus, even from Janis....... to my eye it is diseased and I would burn it.  Sorry, but that is my opinion.

Hmm .. I also wondered about this.  The pale ground colour is unusual, this would not alone be a sign of virus.  The veins are not unusual, look at the following image.  The veins show because of the the pale ground.  The flower is a slightly odd shape and I have found that C banaticus is more susceptible than most crocus to virus and other diseases.  If it were mine I would put it in 'quarantine' away from other crocus and evaluate it over the next year or two.  I want to believe it is healthy ... but Maggi might be right.

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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2010, 12:47:50 PM »
A "regular" vein pattern is usual, of course, but in the white striped flower the colouring is patchy and broken..... :'(
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2010, 01:07:39 PM »
Maggi and Tony, the basic population of the "striped" banaticus is very heterogeneous. We found pale, dark, bicoloured and few real white forms. This year there are two striped exemplars. Hm. Hope, I can show you another pic.
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2010, 04:42:16 PM »
Hagen, I really wish, your striped banaticus will survive and turn out to be healthy.
I also had such a white plant with blue style some years ago, but it didn't survive.
It came up in a patch with only blue forms so I guess it turned white due to damage
in the underground - don't know what  ???


Melvyn, whatever your crocus is, it's a good one. But you don't need to dig up the
corm to identify it - laevigatus flowers with its full leaves while pulchellus-leaves
grow in spring or early winter - I don't see any leaves in your photos  :-\
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2010, 05:28:05 PM »
Melvyn, whatever your crocus is, it's a good one. But you don't need to dig up the
corm to identify it - laevigatus flowers with its full leaves while pulchellus-leaves
grow in spring or early winter - I don't see any leaves in your photos  :-\

Thomas & Melvyn - according to BM, although C. laevigatus  is synanthous, it can flower with just the tips of the leaves showing. My plants always flower with well developed leaves & my experience of C. pulchellus is that  the leaves come some time after the flowers.
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2010, 07:14:47 PM »
A lot of rain pushed down the flowers. It`s the last pic for this year. I mean too, the colour isn`t normal. I have hope for the next year. Thank you all for the informations.
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2010, 10:40:08 PM »
When I saw Melvyn's laevigatus pic I have to say I also thought "pulchellus" (and a very nice one). And the dark speciosus looks like 'Oxonian' to me, Melvyn.
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #73 on: September 29, 2010, 10:05:10 AM »
Melvyn,
fantastic crocus images. I'm doubtful of your C. leavigatus, never saw such strong stripes inside flower tube with doted yellow markings and flowering time so early - it looks more like a stunning C. pulchellus to me! ;D

Melvyn, I agree with you. This almost 100% is pulchellus.
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Re: Crocus September 2010
« Reply #74 on: September 29, 2010, 10:08:54 AM »
A lot of rain pushed down the flowers. It`s the last pic for this year. I mean too, the colour isn`t normal. I have hope for the next year. Thank you all for the informations.
Usually I agree with Maggie, but in your pictures, Hagen, I can't see virus symptoms.
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