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Pascal B

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Taiwanese unknowns
« on: October 18, 2010, 04:07:26 PM »
Any suggestions are appreciated...., even if it is at family level

Edit: just got a private e-mail saying the first might be a Hemiboa.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 04:09:27 PM by Pascal B »

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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 07:03:50 PM »
I was going to say Duchesnea (the mock strawberry) for the third but that has trifoliate leaves and I think is now included in Potentilla.  Certainly Rosaceae anyway...
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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 07:14:27 PM »
could the second be an Euphrasia of some sort
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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2010, 09:41:58 PM »
Rubus taiwanicola?
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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2010, 10:11:40 PM »
could the second be an Euphrasia of some sort
You took the words right off my keyboard Davey ;D
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2010, 10:12:38 PM »
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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2010, 10:23:28 PM »
Rubus taiwanicola?
Stephen looks right for the third one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30879509@N04/4155738261/

Looks like a nice groundcover and with edible fruits? Nice set of thorns too. ???
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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2010, 10:56:21 PM »
I'm sure that is a Euphrasia... lovely plants . 8)

In Taiwan, four endemic taxa were identified based on their morphological

and ecological traits by Wu MJ, Huang TC (1998) Euphrasia L. In: Huang TC et al (eds)

Flora of Taiwan, vol 4. National Taiwan University, Taiwan,pp 591–597.

These euphrasias are : E. nankotaizanensis  E. transmorrisonensis.     E. transmorrisonensis var. durietziana and   E.  tarokoana  

The first is yellow......http://www.flickr.com/photos/36715178@N00/3729127540/

 the second has deep pink reverses to the flowers
http://www.flickr.com/photos/olvwu/3694342177/

third has slightly  different leaves and the lobes of the flowers are deeper... but it's close!! .....http://www.flickr.com/photos/36715178@N00/3728325835/

searching for a pic of the fourth one......
« Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 11:42:08 PM by Maggi Young »
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2010, 11:12:40 PM »
« Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 11:18:02 PM by Maggi Young »
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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2010, 11:30:40 PM »
Maggi,

The picture was taken at the beginning of Taroko Gorge near Tayuling (Dayuling) so Euphrasia tarokoana would sound very likely but the online version of the first edition of the FOT states more than 4 taxa........ ???. E. matsudae and E. bilineata also occur in that area but the differences seem to be in the "hairs" of the various parts and to be honest, I haven't checked that and can't really see on my picture.......  :-[ And if these 2 other species from the first edition have been synonymised, under which of the 4 in the second edition would that be?

Unfortunately I could not find any seeds on it but I have another close-up. Nearby was also flowering Dianthus superbus. Never paid much attention to Dianthus but this species is indeed superb!

PS. All species names of Taiwanese plants with "morrison" in them usually refer to Mt. Morrison, nowadays known as Yushan, lying further south.


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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 11:48:16 PM »
Oh, yes, now I find these names:     
Euphrasia bilineata Ohwi this is a synonym of this I think...Euphrasia   matsudae     Yamamoto
     Euphrasia durietziana Ohwi
     Euphrasia exilis Ohwi
     Euphrasia filicaulis Y. Kimura
     Euphrasia masamuneana Ohwi
     Euphrasia nankotaizanensis Yamamoto
     Euphrasia pumilio Ohwi
     Euphrasia tarokoana Ohwi
     Euphrasia transmorrisonensis Hayata

 I'll leave you to magnify a photo and get going on the hair count, Pascal!!
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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2019, 04:24:43 AM »
Maggi,
The picture was taken at the beginning of Taroko Gorge near Tayuling (Dayuling) so Euphrasia tarokoana would sound very likely but the online version of the first edition of the FOT states more than 4 taxa........ ???. E. matsudae and E. bilineata also occur in that area but the differences seem to be in the "hairs" of the various parts and to be honest, I haven't checked that and can't really see on my picture.......  :-[ And if these 2 other species from the first edition have been synonymised, under which of the 4 in the second edition would that be?
Unfortunately I could not find any seeds on it but I have another close-up. Nearby was also flowering Dianthus superbus. Never paid much attention to Dianthus but this species is indeed superb!
PS. All species names of Taiwanese plants with "morrison" in them usually refer to Mt. Morrison, nowadays known as Yushan, lying further south.

Dianthus pygmaeus,
Dianthus pygmaeus Hayata is an accepted name
you may check your label now,

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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2019, 04:33:47 AM »
Maggi,
The picture was taken at the beginning of Taroko Gorge near Tayuling (Dayuling) so Euphrasia tarokoana would sound very likely but the online version of the first edition of the FOT states more than 4 taxa........ ???. E. matsudae and E. bilineata also occur in that area but the differences seem to be in the "hairs" of the various parts and to be honest, I haven't checked that and can't really see on my picture.......  :-[ And if these 2 other species from the first edition have been synonymised, under which of the 4 in the second edition would that be?
Unfortunately I could not find any seeds on it but I have another close-up. Nearby was also flowering Dianthus superbus. Never paid much attention to Dianthus but this species is indeed superb!
PS. All species names of Taiwanese plants with "morrison" in them usually refer to Mt. Morrison, nowadays known as Yushan, lying further south.

Euphrasia transmorrisonensis,
Euphrasia transmorrisonensis Hayata is an accepted name,
you may check your label now,

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Re: Taiwanese unknowns
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2019, 04:41:53 AM »
Any suggestions are appreciated...., even if it is at family level
Edit: just got a private e-mail saying the first might be a Hemiboea.

Hemiboea bicornuta,
Hemiboea bicornuta (Hayata) Ohwi is an accepted name,
you may check your label now,

 


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