Winter Narcissus

[Maggi Young]

I wonder if there is a nice nursing home somewhere for the care and rehabilitation of confused gardeners?

[annew]

I'm currently living there, Maggi....
Rafa, such beautiful flowers, you take my breath away.

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Stunning flowers and pictures Rafa !! 

[Maggi Young]

Anne.... is the food okay?


Rafa, last night at our Group Meeting we had  David Millward ( Dr Rock) as our speaker ( and a very  good talk it was too) and when he was speaking about Narcissus cantabricus he mentioned "King Rafa, of the Forum" and there was a loud murmur of recognition and appreciation - so there are lots of readers out there enjoying your valuable contribution to the world of narcissus  

[Gerry Webster]

Gerry, this is the new name for N. x susannae, (N. cantabricus x N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus), the mother is N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus
N. x litigiosus del Amo (N. albicans x N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus) and the mother is also pallidulus. 

This hybrid and N cantabricus are among my all time favourite plants.  I just looked up this "new" name for the hybrid as I thought it was what I have called N x susannae and I found this picture in the wild.  This is a superb shot showing the hybrid alongside the parent.  Hope that's Ok with Rafa to post the link
http://www.treknature.com/gallery/photo233123.htm

It seems to show the hybrid as a lot bigger than N triandrus, is that correct, Rafa or just due to perspective on the photo?

Thanks for this link Diane. And thanks Rafa for a wonderful photo of beautiful plants.

[Rafa]

Hans:
Sorry my good friend!, This is a mixtake N. muñozii-garmendiae as an hybrid between N. cantabricus and N. triandrus susbp. pallidulus, porbably due not very good comunication between Spanish/Portugues botanist and Bristish botanists.

This name in honour to Prof. Felix Muñoz Garmendia has been used to describe Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. muñozii-garmendiae, as an endemic species from Ciudad Real. In my oppinion is not a pseudonarcissus is an endemic asturiensis from this region. This group of asturiensis make many lineages and its difficoult to recognize them. There are some valid characters like perianth tube form and others characters... but there is a geographical distribution, very clear and helpfull in relation with these lineages. The species I support are:

Asturiensis Group
N. asturiensis
N. jacetanus
N. salmanticensis
N. muñozii garmendiae

Tastsuo:
This is one of my interest as a SRGC member, foment our most ornamental species donating seeds, in my oppinion, the only friendly environmental way to introduce the species in our gardens. I enclose a virtual herbarium sheet with both hybrid variants, as I returned all these plants to the wild.

Maggy:

Really?!! hahaha you are joking hahaha. I think I am not worthy of this title, I only use to talk with Narcissus botanist like F. Casas or A. Barra to know the currently studies.

Anne:
There are many different names (in some cases older in other newer), new species every year..., this is Botany. In Narcissus genus there is a Battle and maybe that I told in this forum this year will be not the same next year. Flora Iberica is making a very general key, enough to me..

Gerry:

It is my pleasure 

[Gerry Webster]

Rafa - I think your virtual herbarium sheets are just great. More please!

[Rafa]

I think Narcissus Genus is explained through the hybrids. For example, I consider Narcissus nivalis Graells, as an independient species from N. bulbocodium L. Why? (nobody are agree with me    ) Well, this is because the relantionship between N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus with both species is different. N. nivalis only can donate the female gamets in N. triandrus pallidulus crosses = N. x consolationis and N. bulbocodium only can donate the male gamets in the same cross = N. rozeirae. They only can acting like this.

One of the reassons for consider N. graellsii Graells as a valid species, separate from N. bulbocodium is because it can acting as a father or mother, with pallidulus. Something that N. bulbocodium can't do.

I am trying to find the only place known were N. nivalis and N. cantabricus make crosses to compare with N. bulbocodium and n. cantabricus crosses. I am sure they will acting different.

I only have 3 virtual herbarium sheet because I started last year. In this season I will also try to make N. x ponsii-sorollae, N. x nutans, N. x turgaliensis and N. x lopezii.

[art600]

Some shots from my bulb house.  The narcissus brighten up an otherwise miserable day.

Lots to come

[ArnoldT]

Here's a better shot of some Narcissus romieuxii

[Luc Gilgemyn]

An impressive display Art ! 
Are you thinking of starting your own bulblog soon ?? 

[art600]

That would require skills I do not possess.

[ian mcenery]

A couple of ones from today Atlas Gold Treble Chance one of Rob Pottertons and N Romieuxii which came to me as "ex Fred Hunt" a lovely strong yellow

[tonyg]

A couple of ones from today Atlas Gold one of Rob Pottertons and N Romieuxii which came to me as "ex Fred Hunt" a lovely strong yellow

Pale one is nice but not Atlas Gold.  Good yellow one looks true.  My original N Atlas Gold came from Rob P - but they looked like the yellow one not the pale one!

[Gerry Webster]

I agree with Tony - 'Atlas Gold' is much the same colour as 'Fred Hunt'. Both are nearly out here.

Despite the cold, aphids seem active (in the central flower).