Moan, Moan, Moan - 2011

[Paddy Tobin]

No one moans as eloquently or as effectively as David Nicholson.

Yeah, David Nicholson for President, Prime Minister, Pope, or whatever.

And all to the tune of "One Foot in the Grave".

Paddy

[David Nicholson]

 Well, go on then but only if I get paid a salary for all three posts!

[ranunculus]

Well, go on then but only if I get paid a salary for all three posts!

President of Yorkshire then? 

[Michael J Campbell]

I suspect that I might get shot down in butter-burning flames here, but politics and religion have more often than not been avoided on this forum and long may it remain so.  I can fully understand the frustrations, disappointments and shattered dreams in individual circumstances/countries,etc., but how long will it be before the radicals, fundamentalists and Raving Loonies gather to add their words of hate, bile and discord. Where should poor Maggi draw the line, when would she be forced to step in, what might attract the stern red pen of Aberdeen?
We have had a number of heated debates over the years, but at least they were about our beloved plants.  I, for one, hope that it remains that way!

I agree with all the above comments.

[Martin Baxendale]

If we have a thread called Moan, Moan, Moan it's pretty inevitable that from time to time politics will pop up here. I see us as, in the main, a bunch of fairly liberal (with a small L) thinking people who find extremist politics repugnant and occasionally feel moved to say so when we see it in action. Surely that can't hurt? It's usually a very small part of the overall makeup of the forum and easily ignored if you don't want to join in. I don't want to make a big thing out of it but I have to say I feel a bit uneasy about the idea that we shouldn't ever discuss politics. It's all around us and part of life, and it even impinges on the natural world that we all love (just look at the issues around climate change).

[Maggi Young]

I don't mind you moaning, just don't get into any fights!! 

[Gerry Webster]

I agree with Martin B.

[David Nicholson]

Well, go on then but only if I get paid a salary for all three posts!

President of Yorkshire then? 

Not on your life. Who could rule that lot

[Lesley Cox]

OK, I'll go along with the general feeling here, though I agree with Martin that this thread is a safe place to have a moan about those things we feel strongly about and if one has no political opinions I suspect one hasn't an opinion about much at all that is important.

I've never been chastised here though I have had an extremely offensive private email from a Christchurch lurker person following the Chch earthquake. I've also been accused in a PM by a Trillium-L member, of antisemitism a few years ago. They're welcome to their opinions as I intend to hold to mine, unless shown they are wrong. I have an open mind generally.

[Lesley Cox]

I can't quite leave this alone because again going to Martin's post, it's impossible to avoid politics in an everyday sense. We all make political decisions an a day to day basis. There was a time in the late 70s early 80's when NZ had issues with our blokes playing rugby in South Africa because of the apartheid practised there. Those who wanted the playing either in SA or here in NZ to go ahead regardless, kept saying "politics and sport don't mix" and the latter shouldn't be influenced by the former. This was utter nonsense of course. I believed then and still do that every time I bought a can of SA guavas for my fruit salad, I was making a political decision. I guess it's the specific grouches against governmental policy and practice that some here object to, rather than "politics" as such.

[Anthony Darby]

I think I've been away from Yorkshire to leave one idiom behind: "what's yours is mine, and what's mine's my own". I've met some growers like that in my time. Easier to get blood out of a stone. Me: if I've got two, one's yours!

[Maggi Young]

Me: if I've got two, one's yours!

That's very sporting of you, Anthony.... I'd like Lucy, please. 

[Gerry Webster]

I think I've been away from Yorkshire to leave one idiom behind: "what's yours is mine, and what's mine's my own".

Too long away Anthony, & too genteel:

"What's thine's mine and what's mine's  me own" (Leeds c. 1950)

[David Nicholson]

I think I've been away from Yorkshire to leave one idiom behind: "what's yours is mine, and what's mine's my own".

Too long away Anthony, & too genteel:

"What's thine's mine and what's mine's  me own" (Leeds c. 1950)

also Huddersfield (ad infinitum)

[Hoy]

In Norwegian: Ditt er mitt og mitt er mitt

Or similar: " All think of themselves only I think of myself!"