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Hans J

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Galanthus caspicus
« on: January 18, 2011, 12:23:24 PM »
Hi all ,

Since some years I have heard rumors that in Azerbaijan and Iran grows two different Galanthus transcaucasicus -one with volute leaves and a other with applanate leaves .

The same information is also the Galanthus book of A.Davis ( page 174 ) - there is listet  Galanthus transcaucasicus (  Fomin ) = volute and Gal. nivalis v. caspicus ( Ruprecht ) = applanat

I grow some plants of G.transcaucasiucus  - please look here :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1301.0 ( this plants comes from Azerbaijan )

Some years later I have received from a nice friend some other G.transcaucasicus from Iran :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2879.0

all those plants shows a volute vernation

I grow also a autumn flowering form from Iran ( it flowers in October -November ) ....
Today ( by a controll in my greenhouse ) I was really amazed to see those different forms of Gal.transcaucasicus ....and I have observed the autumn flowering plant closer ....there I have realized that this plants have a applanat vernation - so it was clear for me : this is a  Galanthus caspicus !!!
Immidiately I have taken some pics to show this plants and share this informations with other snowdrop enthusiasts !
( you can see clearly the applanat vernation )

Also I would ask if any other members here grows those plants .....

Here are some pics from today ( sorry - but I have not any pics from the flowers because we was in holiday when they flowers )

Maybe can Dima add some words .....

Regards from Germany
Hans
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 12:31:05 PM »
I'm not shure this is transcaucasicus nor caspius............ Я в глубоком раздумье......... I would attribute it your plants on pics above to G. rizehensis/lagodechianus complex.....
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 12:34:26 PM »
Thanks Google I understand your words :

"Ich bin in Gedanken versunken"

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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2011, 12:40:46 PM »
Hans, please, see this link with photo!

http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/41572.html
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 12:49:59 PM »
Dima ,

thank you !

I had this idea too .....but the flowering time is so different ....
In next year I will try to make pictures of the flower !

All my G.lagodechianus ( and G.carbadensis ) just pushing the leaves ...

Is it possibly to know where this picture from this russian site is taken and on which time ?

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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 12:56:43 PM »
Hans, I thought well, and tend to think that your pictures depicted triploid sterile G. rizehensis (and the absence of well-developed capsule could confirm it), which is also blooming from November-December till February.
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 01:03:03 PM »
Quote from: Hans J on January 18, 2011, 12:49:59 PM


Is it possibly to know where this picture from this russian site is taken and on which time ?

Hans

it is the photo made 23.03.2007 in the garden of one my Moscow galanthophyl friend Mikhail Diev, he says that received this plant from..... England  ;D  ;D
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 01:15:55 PM »
Hans, and this one made in W Transcaucasus!

http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/47738.html
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 01:20:16 PM »
transcaucasicus in my garden are not applanate
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 01:30:23 PM »
Dima

Thank you for the information that this plant comes from England  :o

It is a little strange :
I grow a autumn flowering form of G.rizehensis ....( I know I have to take a pic )

But Rize is really far away from the Caspian Sea !!!
Luckily I have from both plants ( the applanate Galanthus from Iran ) and from the autumn flowering G.rizehensis the locations ....thats not any mixed cultivation material !

I'm not shure if my plant is a triploid  sterile G.rizehensis ...I have only a single plant and so they build no fruits .

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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 01:59:14 PM »
Here are some pics from this autumn flowering G.rizehensis :

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6530.0
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 04:45:51 PM »
Hans, please look at original image of G. caspius from Grossheim's Flora Caucasica, 1940. It is not very impressive, but we could notice well here the leaves' outline (neatly lanceolate and not at all linear!!) and convolute vernation!

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Гроссгейм А. А. Флора Кавказа // Тр. Бот. инст. Аз. фил. АН СССР ; т. Х / А. А. Гроссгейм. –  [2-е изд.] – Баку : изд. АзФАН, 1940.
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 05:23:16 PM »
and a scan from Latin diagnosis of Ruprecht's taxon G. nivalis var. caspius
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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 05:51:24 PM »
Thank you Dima !

In meantime I'm thinking if my plant is maybe a autumnflowering form of G.artjuschenkoae ....

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Re: Galanthus caspicus
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2011, 06:43:02 PM »
Here is a drawning of G.artjuschenkoae ( ex Gabrielian )
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