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Paul T
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September 13, 2007, 02:11:04 AM »
Fermi,
All lovely. You haev some very nice daff clumps!!
Lesley,
<sigh> So you're meaning that in my garden it'll likely take 10 years to flower from seed, and I might as well just try to source the plant from elsewhere as an adult. My conditions here are not ideal for woodland plants, although the majority do far better than they have a right to!!
I do find that in general things take longer for me to flower than for most other people. Hopefully that will change a bit because my health has improved and hopefully I can repot things a little more readily than in the past 10 years.
Thanks for the info.
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Paul, I don't mean anything of the kind. If you CAN source it elsewhere as an older plant, fine, but we can't here so it's seed or nothing. But it just takes some patience and there's always something else to keep the interest alive while you're waiting. If you can grow hostas and trilliums there's no reason why you couldn't grow veratrums perfectly well. Like trilliums, they should be looked on as an investment for future pleasure rather than for immediate gratification. They will grow in pots for a long time provided there's root room and they're kept moist, and fed if you want flowers. Don't give up on them mate.
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September 13, 2007, 06:25:07 AM »
Paul,
Since you grow Veratrum mostly for the foliage waiting a little for the flowers is no great hardship.
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September 13, 2007, 10:55:42 AM »
Lesley,
I'm definitely not giving up on them, just resigned to having to wait. I have Cardiocrinum growing from seed, so I am used to patience, plus I grow Frits (another that can take a while) etc. I was told early on in the bulbous seed growing venture that the first few years are the hardest, then you always have something coming into flower every year so you never notice what it taking a long time. I was lamenting somewhat the my seedlings haven't been treated as well as they could be due to my health, but my shadehouse (shifted from my sister's place last summer) will help with conditions for a lot of things as well, definitely keeping seedlings moister, that is for sure. A lot easier in summer!! (Whew!)
Rob,
Yeah, you've got a point, but I still think the flowers are cool!
I like any dark flowers, particularly into blacks etc so this is heading towards that sort of colour.
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September 13, 2007, 01:39:04 PM »
Paul, how long for a cardiocrinum to flower. We have raised quite a few things from seed including camellias and tree peonies but the longest to flowering has been N. dubius at between 9 and 12 years.
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September 13, 2007, 02:40:35 PM »
Usually about seven to ten years for a Cardiocrinum to flower from seed: thereafter daughter bulbs are formed which get up to flowering sized in another three or so years, then you should be able to keep them going!
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Thanks, Leslie - And very nice daffs Fermi!
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September 14, 2007, 12:25:34 AM »
Thanks, Anne, I'll try to get some more pics on the weekend! We are having visitors over so no chance of "popping up" to Canberra to see Graham and Helen's Daffs!
Paul, drop me a line to remind me about the Ipheion/Nothoscordum when they die down in the summer! They're in a pot so are easier to extract than the ones in the ground. You'd better have a TALL shadehouse if you're expecting to flower a Cardiocrinum in it!
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September 14, 2007, 05:03:06 AM »
Fermi,
Thanks! I grow my Cardiocrinum outside. I've had them flower 3 years running, then lost that clump to rot. I have a secondary bulb that is still building to full size, plus the seedlings (which were all from seed from my own flowerings). I grow them in a fernery situation and they do really well. Flowered for me between 2 and 3m tall each time.
Graham,
I had heard 8 to 11 years for Cardiocinum to flower. The year before they reach flowering size they start producing offsets. When a bulb flowers it dies, leaving the offsets behind. Sometimes unfortuantely the death of the main bulb spreads rot to the offsets, which is why I lost my clump. My original plant produced offsets for a couple of years before flowering (I am guessing it was old enough but conditions weren't quite right). I took some of these off one year and they did seem to grow on better by themselves. The remaining one I have might actually have been purchased as a seedling, now that I think about it, so who knows when it will achieve maturity.
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September 16, 2007, 10:51:29 PM »
Paul/Lesley --If i can go back to your earlier postings on Veratrum.
As noted they are very slow to grow away from seed --I have album, viride and hopefully the lovely variegated form of californicum yet to flower and even in our moist conditions i find they dislike pots.I'd suggest Lesley you not wait another year and plant V. nigrum now as a plant of that size may reward you with blooms sooner than you expect---or at least that has been my experience.
As an experiment i took a gamble a couple years ago and pulled off a side growth with root of my only V. nigrum .Both survived and last season i noticed my parent plant was just starting to clump.I'm not sure whether that was a result of my earlier disturbance or just a natural event as i guess they clump up in the wild.The pic below shows the current activity.
It's Trillium season,(fever),down here and i'll post a few pics later on,however a few 'others' showing colour.
I think i've keyed this out ,(correctly?). Erythronium grandiflorum ssp pallidum nicely increasing in a trough .You can just make out the three lobed stigma and white anthers.
Corydalis solida ssp.incisa
Scoliopus bigelovii-- i had another one in flower some 3 weeks ago.That was a young plant having it's first flowering, (NZAGS seed august 2001).Will be interesting to see if they flower that far apart next year.
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Damn --still only able to post one pic at a time!.
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Dave Toole. Invercargill bottom of the South Island New Zealand. Zone 9 maritime climate 1100mm rainfall pa.
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September 17, 2007, 12:08:16 AM »
Right sized shadehouse but it is full of lots of miniature daffodils, tree peonies, fritillaria, crocus and cyclamen!
How big a pot is required? This years seedlings will use up most of the available space. I might be able to squeeze another pot in!
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Graham, Canberra, Australia
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September 17, 2007, 04:16:18 AM »
I think someone from the UK only recently posted pics of Tropaeoleum tricolor and it's now in full bloom here in the Southern Hemisphere! Tubers that were planted out under a couple of small "hedgelings" a couple of years ago have deigned to flower very nicely this year.
Close up the flowers remind me of a school of guppies! Hard to believe these are related to the Nasturtium!
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