Allium 2011

[daveyp1970]

Mark i have just bought Allium geyeri,will be happy in rockery made up with sharp sand and a tiny bit of leaf mold or would it be better in my borders?

[TheOnionMan]

it was so much easier in 1993
as A. aflatunense by Dr. Reinhard Fritsch
was renamed to A. hollandicum by not doing this
just make a marking
and by the time the real A. aflatunense is found
to give this one an other name

but taxonomist are ......................................

Roland

There is a real Allium aflatunense, long since found and described, and cultivated... the problem was, the plants widely cultivated and mass-produced in Holland were not that species; it was simply a misidentification of an Allium of unknown provenance.  Take a look at the records in the link below (most with photos) of Allium aflatunense in the Gatersleben "Taxonomic Allium Reference Collection", the plant shown has much more dense, wide-petaled flowers than the starry-flowered plant that we all now know as A. hollandicum.  The naming of Allium "hollandicum" was done to in some way recognize a plant that was for many decades misidentified and proliferated around the globe via mass-production, the story of its naming is quite an interesting example of how such misidentification problems might be solved, and it was a rare approach indeed.

http://pgrc-35.ipk-gatersleben.de/pls/htmldb_pgrc/f?p=265:3:4102782023660464::NO::P3_SCIENTIFIC_NAME:21

[TheOnionMan]

Mark i have just bought Allium geyeri,will be happy in rockery made up with sharp sand and a tiny bit of leaf mold or would it be better in my borders?

Davey, while Allium geyeri might persist in a sharp sandy soil, this is a species of moist meadows, often found growing in light shade, although found in sun as well.  Put it in richer soil, and it'll be larger and more floriferous and the bulbs will offset into a nice colony (do not worry, it never becomes rampant).  As American species go, it is pleasant but not very showy, there are better species... but I still like it and mine are just coming into flower now.  We've had 4 days straight of heavy rain, so I haven't made any photos of it this year.

[Stephenb]

I visited the Gøteborg (Gothenburg) botanics at the end of May. The garden has a fantastic under cover bulb garden with many Alliums in honour of Norwegian botanist Per Wendelbo (1927-1981) who was a professor at the garden, specialising in Himalayan and West Asian plants. Many of the plants in the garden were collected by him. I posted these first over at NARGS as I thought Mark had left us here, but with the resurgence in the Allium discussions herein, I'm reposting. I also have some pictures of Alliums from the open garden and other non-Alliaceous which will appear in due course...

Here is the first selection (see the file names for the plant names):

[Stephenb]

...and the second batch...

[Stephenb]

Mark has left his "mark" in the open garden at Gøteborg - see this collection (none of the plants were in flower, so I won't bore you with pictures of greens...)

I like the comment "(yet) another glaucum" in the first picture!

[Maggi Young]

Thanks for these pix, Stepehn... there are a lot of onion lovers in the forum,as well as those  happy onion eaters 

[wmel]

Mark i have just bought Allium geyeri,will be happy in rockery made up with sharp sand and a tiny bit of leaf mold or would it be better in my borders?

This is what I grow as allium geyeri, Is it the real thing (starting to flower this week.)

[wmel]

There is a real Allium aflatunense, long since found and described, and cultivated... the problem was, the plants widely cultivated and mass-produced in Holland were not that species; it was simply a misidentification of an Allium of unknown provenance.  Take a look at the records in the link below (most with photos) of Allium aflatunense in the Gatersleben "Taxonomic Allium Reference Collection", the plant shown has much more dense, wide-petaled flowers than the starry-flowered plant that we all now know as A. hollandicum.  The naming of Allium "hollandicum" was done to in some way recognize a plant that was for many decades misidentified and proliferated around the globe via mass-production, the story of its naming is quite an interesting example of how such misidentification problems might be solved, and it was a rare approach indeed.

http://pgrc-35.ipk-gatersleben.de/pls/htmldb_pgrc/f?p=265:3:4102782023660464::NO::P3_SCIENTIFIC_NAME:21

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Mark,


I have opened your link and saw a lot of photos from allium aflatunense.
The one we grow looks as TAX 5632 , 5694 and 5562. (bought from Janis Ruksans)
I think TAX 2121 and 3692 look more like allium altissimum???

[wmel]

Just some photos from today.

We are very busy harvesting bulbs and colect seed.

At last allium tuncelianum is (almost) straight, but not flowering ......

One more picture of allium huber-morathii......, and acutiflorum flowering now.

[Maggi Young]

This is what I grow as allium geyeri, Is it the real thing (starting to flower this week.)

 Here is a photo of MacMark's A. geyeri.......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5766.msg158150#msg158150

[wmel]

This is what I grow as allium geyeri, Is it the real thing (starting to flower this week.)

 Here is a photo of MacMark's A. geyeri.......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5766.msg158150#msg158150

Maggi, thank you. It looks the same as mine

[daveyp1970]

Here is my Allium Geyeri,it arrived today.

[Regelian]

From seed, I really love the delicate beauty of A. cernuum.

[TheOnionMan]

I posted these first over at NARGS as I thought Mark had left us here, but with the resurgence in the Allium discussions herein, I'm reposting. I also have some pictures of Alliums from the open garden and other non-Alliaceous which will appear in due course...

Thanks Stephen, I've been unable to post much... it drives me nuts being back to a crazy work schedule and unending local traveling/commuting... I get home many nights at about 8:30-9:00 PM exhausted... no energy to do anything, and my email backs up in a major way.  Glad to see the activity here with Alliums on SRGC!  Absolutely love the overhead shot of Allium akaka, a species I've yet to grow and flower here!

The photo of Allium scilloides might in fact be that species; visually it basically fits, but the identification tag says "NV USA"  Allium scilloides only occurs in Washington State (WA) not Nevada (NV), so not sure what to think about that ;-)