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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #375 on: September 05, 2011, 02:25:02 AM »
Cruising around YouTube, I'm finding more videos of interest for gardeners.  Came across this one show rows of Allium atropurpureum jostling around in the breeze, a beautiful sight, and the plants looking very healthy... all that I've tried growing from Dutch grown sources so far have been virused.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs_wr0I5FKk[/youtube]


Another one, Allium unifolium in mass quantity:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgBOZDyaB0[/youtube]
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 02:29:53 AM by TheOnionMan »
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #376 on: September 05, 2011, 07:22:47 AM »
With me started blooming autumn Alliums - some unidentified Chinese species, some from Georgia and Allium textile - pictures of last are attached here.
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #377 on: September 05, 2011, 02:04:15 PM »
With me started blooming autumn Alliums - some unidentified Chinese species, some from Georgia and Allium textile - pictures of last are attached here.
Janis

Janis, sorry to report, but that is not Allium textile, a spring bloomer from many western American States.  Your plants look like a form of Allium senescens var. glaucum, although I can't see much of the habit and foliage.


Allium textile
, a particularly robust pure white form, from Bozeman, Montana, USA
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Allium_textile_%282%29.jpg

Normally A. textile is fewer-flowered and with whitish flowered and red, green, or brownish mid veins, such as shown here.
http://www.em.ca/garden/native/nat_allium_textile.html

http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=ALTE
http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=4460
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_t4MIXLdITZw/TCEOVKvzlmI/AAAAAAAAGxQ/LmxuDIwyPvg/s1600/Textile+Onion+Allium+textile.JPG

I'm not sure why such a common and widespread North American Allium species is so often incorrectly identified.  Many photos on the internet labeled as A. textile simply are not correct.  The single photo entry from CalPhotos labeled as A. textile is wrong. And take a look at the following page, with terrific high quality photos of a couple Alliums from Colorado that are rarely pictured (Allium macropetalum, and a pure white version of A. nevadense), they include a portrait of a 3rd onion, namely A. textile, the problem is they show a picture of A. macropetalum and not textile!  There is a map at the bottom showing the distribution of Allium textile.
http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/white%20enlarged%20photo%20pages/allium.htm

As I've seen the species in the wild, extremely abundant in Idaho but also abundant in many other western USA States, it is a rather small species, usually less than 6" (15 cm), and few-flowered not-very-showy umbels of whitish flowers, I consider it of marginal interest; there are so many better and brighter North American species.
Mark McDonough
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #378 on: September 05, 2011, 06:54:25 PM »
With me started blooming autumn Alliums - some unidentified Chinese species, some from Georgia and Allium textile - pictures of last are attached here.
Janis

Janis, sorry to report, but that is not Allium textile, a spring bloomer from many western American States.  Your plants look like a form of Allium senescens var. glaucum, although I can't see much of the habit and foliage.


Allium textile
, a particularly robust pure white form, from Bozeman, Montana, USA
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Allium_textile_%282%29.jpg

Normally A. textile is fewer-flowered and with whitish flowered and red, green, or brownish mid veins, such as shown here.
http://www.em.ca/garden/native/nat_allium_textile.html

http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=ALTE
http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=4460
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_t4MIXLdITZw/TCEOVKvzlmI/AAAAAAAAGxQ/LmxuDIwyPvg/s1600/Textile+Onion+Allium+textile.JPG

I'm not sure why such a common and widespread North American Allium species is so often incorrectly identified.  Many photos on the internet labeled as A. textile simply are not correct.  The single photo entry from CalPhotos labeled as A. textile is wrong. And take a look at the following page, with terrific high quality photos of a couple Alliums from Colorado that are rarely pictured (Allium macropetalum, and a pure white version of A. nevadense), they include a portrait of a 3rd onion, namely A. textile, the problem is they show a picture of A. macropetalum and not textile!  There is a map at the bottom showing the distribution of Allium textile.
http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/white%20enlarged%20photo%20pages/allium.htm

As I've seen the species in the wild, extremely abundant in Idaho but also abundant in many other western USA States, it is a rather small species, usually less than 6" (15 cm), and few-flowered not-very-showy umbels of whitish flowers, I consider it of marginal interest; there are so many better and brighter North American species.

Many thanks, Mark! I never checked its name and grew it under name as I got it during my lecture trip to North America. Tomorrow will picture foliage. Thanks for correcting.
Janis
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #379 on: September 05, 2011, 09:41:11 PM »
I truly wasn't expecting this Allium to be alive.  The bulb had gone dormant and was sitting in a sodden mess of a mix.  The roots were quite alive and the bulb was just fine.  What a strange pink twin bulb with fish netting.  It must grow in wet screes?

Allium species ACE#94-2394, cw Gang-ho-ba, Lijang, China3450m to 70cm, in screes - identified by Mark McDonough as Allium ovalifolium var. leuconeurum 28 May 2011. Shot pre-cleaning off the dead roots.

Meanwhile Allium species ACE#94-2430 (may be A. hookeri StephenB SRGC), cw Yulong Shan above Xi Song,China 3500m to 30cm seems to be setting seeds for the first time.

johnw - +25c and hot.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 09:43:41 PM by johnw »
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #380 on: September 05, 2011, 10:05:50 PM »
Looking good John, healthy looking indeed, and sporting fish-net stockings :D  Are you going to separate the bulbs or leave it as a twin?
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #381 on: September 05, 2011, 10:10:47 PM »
What a strange pink twin bulb with fish netting.  It must grow in wet screes?

They are usually woodland species, aren't they?

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #382 on: September 05, 2011, 10:25:47 PM »
Good that you haven't lost that one John, such wonderful foliage I seem to remember.
Brian Ellis, Brooke, Norfolk UK. altitude 30m Mintemp -8C

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #383 on: September 05, 2011, 11:19:19 PM »
Wasn't sure where to place this.

Allium tuberosum w/ friends
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #384 on: September 06, 2011, 01:45:44 AM »
What a strange pink twin bulb with fish netting.  It must grow in wet screes?
They are usually woodland species, aren't they?

Arisaema - The tag said collected in scree.  

Brian - Yes the foliage is good. We've planted out the others and they've wintered well.

Mark - I left it as a twin as we have backups outdoors; if you'd like half and can figure out a way to get it to Massachussetts (will I ever learn how to spell that?) I'd be happy to take the clever to it. It seems to have gone dormant very early this year. Probably all the wet weather.  The other species (hookeri?) has curious fasciated flower stalks.

Brian - The foliage from a posting sometime ago.

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« Last Edit: September 06, 2011, 01:53:08 AM by johnw »
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #385 on: September 06, 2011, 02:07:10 AM »
Wasn't sure where to place this.

Allium tuberosum w/ friends

Great shot Arnold and which Eucomis is that?  Have't seen one with pendulous flowers like that.

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #386 on: September 06, 2011, 03:15:39 AM »

Mark - I left it as a twin as we have backups outdoors; if you'd like half and can figure out a way to get it to Massachussetts (will I ever learn how to spell that?) I'd be happy to take the clever to it. It seems to have gone dormant very early this year. Probably all the wet weather.  The other species (hookeri?) has curious fasciated flower stalks.

johnw

I appreciate the offer John, but please don't divide it just for me; let it grow on and maybe it'll produce seed one day (seed between US and Canada can be exchanged).
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #387 on: September 06, 2011, 03:42:06 AM »
John:

It's Eucomis biccolor.  Planted under a small tree and gets early morning sun.  Came from Seneca Hill Perennials in New York State.

Here's a full size shot.

Arnold

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #388 on: September 06, 2011, 03:47:00 AM »
Allium anticipation!

The first two photos show plants received last autumn as an Allium thunbergii form collected by Dan Hinkley.  The photos taken today show the tight bud clusters, and intermediate size of this form, one that I used to grow but eventually lost due to overcrowding, one that I keyed out to Allium sacculiferum, very close to Allium thunbergii and sometimes put into synonymy with it.  It has much tighter globular heads than the typical open "flop-heads" of A. thunbergii.

311523-0 311525-1


The next photo shows growing seedlings of an Allium sp. collected near Kalbinsky Hills, Kazakhstan 2010, by Panayoti Kelaidis.  Ooh, I'm so optimistic... I received 23 accessions and most germinated and have been planted out.  Some have gone dormant, but this one with thread-narrow foliage keeps on bulking up... can't wait to see what it is when it flowers.

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #389 on: September 12, 2011, 07:52:13 PM »
I really don't know how this has survived. It must have fallen from the lower tier of my staging and I only found it today when I was raking the gravel level under the staging where I had some trays of dormant bulbs through the summer. The only moisture it can have had is from seepage from the staging above it. Consequently it looks a little "beat up" and is a little past it's best but welcome all the same.

Allium senescens ssp montanum var glaucum
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