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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #435 on: October 17, 2011, 01:49:43 AM »
Here's another recently described (2009) autumn blooming Allium species, Allium telmatum from Croatia.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/bj79v271n47m5180/

...and yet more autumn blooming species, some I mentioned before, but others too,
with a map showing geographical distribution of the autumn-flowering species of Allium sect. Codonoprasum in the Mediterranean area:  A. oporinanthum ( ); A. savii (●); A. anzalonei ( ); A. telmatum ( ); A. euboicum ( ); A. rausii (◆); A. platakisii (♢); A. aegilicum ( ); A. tardans (■); A. archeotrichon (▲); A. autumnale ( ); A. tardiflorum ( ):
http://www.springerimages.com/Images/LifeSciences/1-10.1007_s12224-009-9032-2-4
...(there are additional links at the bottom to a photo and drawiung of Allium telmatum)

This is interesting, an article abstract (the article for purchase) about a hybridization program with late flowering Chinese and Japanese allium species.
http://www.pubhort.org/actahort/books/673/673_15.htm

Allium oporinanthum, one of the autumn bloomers. I could not get a working URL for this particular PDF, so here's the PDF linked below:
« Last Edit: October 17, 2011, 04:53:10 AM by TheOnionMan »
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #436 on: October 17, 2011, 07:56:06 AM »
Here's Allium bodeanum, a first flowering for me and I was thinking it looked just like A. cristophii but it is shorter and much earlier,
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I got this as a "close to flowering size" bulb last year as previous attempts to raise it from seed were unsuccessful,
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #437 on: October 20, 2011, 01:16:15 PM »
Stephen, nice seeing Allium ruprestre, I have never seen this species in person.  I like the green apices to each flower.  Is it fragrant, and is it actually flowering now? If so, I didn't know it was a fall bloomer.

Yes, it is flowering now. I'll give it a sniff tomorrow! Rupestre is the correct spelling isn't it?

Superb pictures, Mark!!

Forgot to say, but I couldn't detect any fragrance, but I've had a bit of a cold, so it may be me...
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #438 on: October 21, 2011, 11:13:15 PM »
Now I have some time again for posting some photo's.
Al the planting of tulips and allium on the fields is ready, and next week we start planting the tulips on water-trays for flowerproduction in earley december.
Allium thunbergii and allium thunbergii "white", The last to flower
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #439 on: October 24, 2011, 07:16:50 AM »
I was very buzzy the last month
but here a question from an other forum
maybe Mark or Wietse know
looks a little as a white A. senescens

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #440 on: October 24, 2011, 11:43:59 AM »
I was very buzzy the last month
but here a question from an other forum
maybe Mark or Wietse know
looks a little as a white A. senescens

Roland

It looks like a form/seedling of allium nutans to me. Is it white or a little pink.
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #441 on: October 24, 2011, 04:07:19 PM »
I was very buzzy the last month
but here a question from an other forum
maybe Mark or Wietse know
looks a little as a white A. senescens

Roland

It looks like a form/seedling of allium nutans to me. Is it white or a little pink.


I agree with Wietse, the broad leaves, fully spherical heads of bloom, and what looks like wingd edges to the stems, all point to A. nutans.  I have some all white forms that look very similar.
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #442 on: October 24, 2011, 04:12:15 PM »
Thanks Mark and Wietse
that was my second thought
because of the green leaves
but I had never seen a white one

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #443 on: October 25, 2011, 10:19:52 PM »
I was very buzzy the last month
Roland

Were you a bumble bee or a honey bee? ;D
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #444 on: October 25, 2011, 10:36:21 PM »
 ;D Bumble  ;D
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #445 on: October 27, 2011, 08:29:43 PM »
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this project before - The
Karlostachys plants database project, assembling pictures of all the world's plants by different photographers. Here's the page for Allium; would be interested to hear the onion guy's opinion of the accuracy:
http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/karlostachys/album-17944.html
I particularly thought Allium spicatum was very cool....

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #446 on: October 27, 2011, 08:50:48 PM »
for me it looks more as Phyteuma spicatum

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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #447 on: October 28, 2011, 05:56:49 PM »
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this project before - The
Karlostachys plants database project, assembling pictures of all the world's plants by different photographers. Here's the page for Allium; would be interested to hear the onion guy's opinion of the accuracy:
http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/karlostachys/album-17944.html
I particularly thought Allium spicatum was very cool....


I think some of the alliums are wrong named:
Photo allium akaka = allium karatavience
photo allium fetisowii = allium fistulosum
photo allium macranthum = allium cernuum
photo allium schoeprasinum?????= allium schoenoprasum
photo allium spicatum = this is no allium
photo allium triquetrum single flower = no triquetrum
photo allium triquetrum in field = allium triquetrum
photo allium giganteum = not giganteum, but looks like a lot of other alliums

Maby there are more photos not right, but I don't know al of them
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #448 on: October 29, 2011, 02:13:04 PM »
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this project before - The
Karlostachys plants database project, assembling pictures of all the world's plants by different photographers. Here's the page for Allium; would be interested to hear the onion guy's opinion of the accuracy:
http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/karlostachys/album-17944.html
I particularly thought Allium spicatum was very cool....


Stephen, maybe its a species brand new to science, Allium pseudophyteumanoides ssp. spiciformis f. male-descripta. ;D

Yup, its a Phyteuma.  Wietse, I think you nailed all the other misnomers or "male descripta".
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Re: Allium 2011
« Reply #449 on: October 29, 2011, 02:20:06 PM »
 :)

Shame, I did initially think Phyteuma which I grow myself, but I thought I could see Allium-like flowers and I can't see the upward curving bracts typical of that species. See

Do you know what the real Allium spicatum looks like? How could one make a mistake like that?
« Last Edit: October 29, 2011, 02:27:17 PM by Stephenb »
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