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After al the bulbs are planted we are starting sowing al seeds of allium.This year we have seeds from 87 different alliums most in (very) smal amounts.from a few alliums we sow a lot of seeds for bulb-selling in the future.(allium tripedale, backhousianum and karatavience "Red Giant") in total we sow 32 kilo seed.I post some photo's from the sowing
Nice to see my 'Red Giant' between your list of species sawn in great ammounts. Hope it will not loose my name as introducer Janis
Very nice collectionI just don't understand why it is called "Red"For me (maybe I am colour blind)Red is a completely other colourHow will you call in the future a plant if you find a real red one Roland
Quote from: Janis Ruksans on November 08, 2011, 08:01:13 PMThe biggest problem with the "Red" is that they almost never get any ofset, and the also don't split in 2 or 3 bulbs, so the only way to get more is by growing seeds.The "Pink" do split just like the normal karatavience!.Now we try to find a "Red" karatavience witch gives ofsets or splits in 2 or 3 bulbs every year....and the only way to find such an allium is by sowing as much seeds as possible.Sorry, but "normal" karataviense (if under word "normal" we regard wild forms) very rarely split. Really I didn't found such between wild plants. The forms which started splitting arised in cultivation. After many years of sawing between seedlings from plants collected at locus classicus - Kara Tau mountains - I faound few bulbs which splitted in two and now I'm growing progeny of just those specimens. Similarly split cultivar "Ivory Queen'. That I still never found between other stock seedlings.Janis
The biggest problem with the "Red" is that they almost never get any ofset, and the also don't split in 2 or 3 bulbs, so the only way to get more is by growing seeds.The "Pink" do split just like the normal karatavience!.Now we try to find a "Red" karatavience witch gives ofsets or splits in 2 or 3 bulbs every year....and the only way to find such an allium is by sowing as much seeds as possible.
Sorry, but "normal" karataviense (if under word "normal" we regard wild forms) very rarely split. Really I didn't found such between wild plants. The forms which started splitting arised in cultivation. After many years of sawing between seedlings from plants collected at locus classicus - Kara Tau mountains - I faound few bulbs which splitted in two and now I'm growing progeny of just those specimens. Similarly split cultivar "Ivory Queen'. That I still never found between other stock seedlings.Janis
Quote from: bulborum on November 09, 2011, 07:35:40 AMVery nice collectionI just don't understand why it is called "Red"For me (maybe I am colour blind)Red is a completely other colourHow will you call in the future a plant if you find a real red one RolandOf course Red Giant is not red; as a tulip........(photo), but it is one of the most "red" alliums there is and it is a very nice colour I think!!In tulips we have maby 100 different colours of RED, and we call al of them red...
we sow about 13 kilo seed from a mix of "Red Giant", "Red Globe", "Pink Globe", and "Pink Giant" crossed with "Ivory Queen", the normal karatavience, alexejanum and nevskianum. The two pink 'karatavience' we discovered a few years ago between seed comming from crossing "Red Globe" and "Red Giant" with the normal karatavience.
The one that I grow certainly looks red to me, and I'm a nitpicker when it comes to flower colour.
I would'n tell yet, but there are red alliums....