February Narcissus 2011

[Lesley Cox]

So should I rename this (and the cleaned, packeted seed) as N rupicola? or what?

[Rafa]

Lesley, your plants are N. rupicola seeing this picture.
I enclose an spanish description of N. cuatrecasasii if it was of your interest:

Planta de 11-37 cm de altura, glabra. Bulbo 18-26 × 13-29 mm, subgloboso,
con túnicas externas membranáceas, de un castaño obscuro, que se prolongan
en una vaina de 13-94 mm. Escapo 9-33 × 0,15-0,30 cm, cilíndrico, estriado,
fistuloso al menos hacia la base. Hojas 1 ó 2(3), de 7-29 × (0,19)0,26-
0,37(0,56) cm, lineares –algo ensanchadas hacia el ápice–, de margen liso, de
sección trapezoidal –con 2 quillas ± marcadas en la cara dorsal–, no torsionadas,
obtusas, coetáneas, ceñidas en la base por 1 ó 2 vainas escariosas, truncadas,
que están ± cubiertas por la prolongación de las túnicas externas del bulbo.
Espata 17-31 × 3-6 mm, lanceolada, envainante en la base –4-19 mm–, plurinervia,
membranácea, de un castaño claro. Flores solitarias –muy rara vez 2 por
escapo–, con un pedicelo de (5,2)6,8-12(17,1) mm, recto, de sección circular.
Tubo del perianto 12-17,3 × 2,8-5,5 mm, que se estrecha gradualmente hacia el
ápice, recto, amarillento. Tépalos 8,7-13,1 × 5,3-9,1 mm, subiguales, de algo
más de la mitad a casi tan largos como en tubo –relación tépalo externo/tubo =
0,64-0,94–, de obovados a ovados, patentes, normalmente apiculados, de un
amarillo vivo; corona 2,6-5,7 mm y 8,6-12,8 mm de diámetro, de un tercio a un
poco más de la mitad de la longitud de los tépalos –relación longitud de la corona/
longitud tépalo externo = 0,31-0,56–, mucho más corta que el tubo –relación
longitud de la corona/longitud tubo = 0,22-0,38–, cupuliforme, subentera, de
sección circular, de un amarillo vivo. Filamentos estaminales rectos, amarillentos;
los inferiores inclusos –relación longitud del filamento/longitud del tubo =
0,51-0,75–, adnatos en casi toda su longitud –con una parte soldada al tubo de
6,1-10,2 mm y una parte libre de 0,6-1,2 mm–; los superiores inclusos o levemente
exertos del tubo –relación longitud del filamento/longitud del tubo =
0,84-1–, adnatos en casi toda su longitud –con una parte soldada al tubo de 9,9-
14,2 mm y una parte libre de 0,3-1 mm–; anteras 1,8-3,1 × 0,6-1 mm, no versátiles,
amarillas. Ovario 3,8-10,1 × 3,4-6,4 mm, verde; estilo 7,1-18,5 mm, supera
un poco las anteras superiores en las flores longistilas y queda por debajo de
las inferiores en las brevistilas, amarillento. Cápsula 7,2-18,6 × 6-10,7 mm,
oblongo-ovoide. Semillas 2,3-3 × 1,8-2,2 mm, ovoides, negras, brillantes, con
estrofíolo. 2n = 14; n = 7.
Claros de pinares, prados húmedos, y roquedos calcáreos; 900-1900 m. III-V(VI). Rif occidental
–Marruecos– y S de la Península Ibérica. Sierras béticas –desde Grazalema hasta Cazorla–.
Esp.: Ca Gr J Ma. N.v.: flor de los pajaritos, narciso de Cuatrecasas.
Observaciones.–El N. cuatrecasasii es muy similar al N. rupicola. Se separa bien de este último
por la longitud de su pedicelo y por la forma de la corona, que es subentera y no con dientes irregulares
como la de N. rupicola. Además, N. cuatrecasasii es una planta más robusta, con hojas algo
más anchas y con el tubo del perianto algo más largo. Los filamentos superiores se disponen en N.
cuatrecasasii algo más arriba que en N. rupicola, de modo que en ocasiones las anteras son levemente
exertas y los filamentos inferiores tienen una zona libre algo más larga en términos absolutos
y en relación a la longitud total del filamento. El área de distribución no se solapa en ningún punto
y el hábitat es también diferente, ya que N. rupicola crece en substratos silíceos y N. cuatrecasasii
se localiza en materiales calcáreos.

[Gerry Webster]

Here is a computer translation which just about makes sense:

"Plant of 11-37 cm of height, glabra. Bulb 18-26 × 13-29 mm, subgloboso,
with membranáceas external robes, of a dark chestnut tree, that extend
in a case of 13-94 mm I save 9-33 × 0,15-0,30 cm, cylindrical, fluted,
sinus at least towards the base. Leaves 1 or 2 (3), of 7-29 × (0,19) 0,26-
0,37 (0,56) cm, lineares - something been high and mighty towards the apex, of smooth margin, of
trapezial section - with 2 marked in the upper surface, not twisted keels ±,
obtuse, contemporary, fitted in the base by 1 or 2 escariosas cases, truncated,
that they are ± covered by the prolongation of the external robes of the bulb.
3-6 mm, lanceolada Espata 17-31 ×, envainante in the base -4-19 mm, plurinervia, membranácea, of a chestnut tree clearly. Solitary flowers - very rarely 2 by
I escape, with pedicelo of (5,2) 6,8-12 (17,1) mm, rectum, of circular section.
Tube of perianto 12-17,3 × 2,8-5,5 mm, that is narrowed gradually towards
apex, rectum, yellowish. Tepals 8,7-13,1 × 5,3-9,1 mm, subequals, of something
more than half to almost as long as in tube - relation external tepal/tube =
0,64-0,94-, of obovados to ovados, patents, normally apiculados, of
alive yellow; it crowns 2,6-5,7 mm and 8,6-12,8 mm of diameter, a third to
little more than half of the length of the tepals - relation length of the crown length external tepal = 0,31-0,56-, much more cuts that the tube - relation
length of the crown/length tube = 0,22-0,38-, cupuliforme, subfinds out, of
circular section, of an alive yellow. Straight, yellowish estaminales filaments;
the enclosed inferiors - relation length of the filament/length of the tube =
0,51-0,75-, adnatos in almost all their length - with one it starts off welded to the tube of
6,1-10,2 mm and one free part of 0,6-1,2 mm; the enclosed superiors or slightly
exertos of the tube - relation length of the filament/length of the tube =
0,84-1-, adnatos in almost all their length - with one it starts off welded to the tube of 9,9-
14.2 mm and one free part of 0,3-1 mm; anthers 1,8-3,1 × 0,6-1 mm, nonversatile, yellow. Ovary 3,8-10,1 × 3,4-6,4 mm, green; style 7,1-18,5 mm, surpasses
a little the anthers superiors in the flowers longistilas and is below
the inferiors in brevistilas, yellowish. Capsule 7,2-18,6 × 6-10,7 mm, oblong-ovoid. Seeds 2,3-3 × 1,8-2,2 ovoid, black, shining mm, with
estrofíolo. 2n = 14; n = 7.
Clear of pine groves, meadows humid, and rocky calcareous; 900-1900 M. III-V (VI). Western Rif - Morocco and S of the Iberian Peninsula. Betis mountain ranges - from Grazalema to Cazorla-.
ESP.: Ca gr. J Ma. N.v.: flower of the small birds, narcissus of Cuatrecasas.
Observations. - The N. cuatrecasasii is very similar to the N. rupicolous. One separates well of this last by the length of his pedicelo and the form of the crown, that is subwhole and not with irregular teeth like the one of N. rupicolous. In addition, N. cuatrecasasii is a more robust plant, with wider leaves something and the tube of perianto something more length. The filaments superiors get ready in N. cuatrecasasii something arrives more that in N. rupicolous, so that sometimes the anthers are slightly exertas and the filaments inferiors have a free zone something longer in absolute terms and in relation to the length overall of the filament. The distribution area lapel in any point and the habitat is not also different, since N. rupicolous grows in silíceos substrata and N. cuatrecasasii is located in calcareous materials".

[Lesley Cox]

Thank you gentlemen. I'll try and take better pictures of both next spring. I don't have Blanchard and my only reference for cuatrecasasii is Wells who sayshe doesn't think it's worth growing!

Another serious earthquake in Christchurch today, 6.3 on Richter scale but closer to the city and much shallower, just 5kms instead of 33 like the previous one. There is must worse damage and probably fatalities (not confirmed yet) happening as it did at lunchtime on a working day.

[Maggi Young]

Pix of Narcissus cuatrecasasii from a Bulb Log.... grown, if I recall correctly, from wild collected seed given us by Margaret and Henry Taylor. 


http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2006/260406/log.html

[Gerry Webster]

Pix of Narcissus cuatrecasasii from a Bulb Log.... grown, if I recall correctly, from wild collected seed given us by Margaret and Henry Taylor.  
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2006/260406/log.html

Relying on Blanchard's description, that looks like the real thing! Quite distinct from N. rupicola.

[ArnoldT]

Here's one flowering now.


 (Edit by maggi: mis-named pix removed at Arnold's request. )

[Rafa]

Narcissus dubius?? I would say any cultivar from N. alpestris... anyway beautiful plant.
Look at this short and open perianth tube in this asturiensis, I would say similar to salmanticensis!

[Rafa]

Returning to this complex asturiensis, I scarify this little one to see the size and a longitudinal cut.

Note: I wrongly labeled the pictures, it was N. jacetanus and not N. asturiensis

[mark smyth]

My first trumpets are out. N. Navarre and N. lagoi op. Soon N. Mitzy will be out

[Rafa]

Today I visited new locality in Madrid, that my friend Teo and I discovered this week.

[Rafa]

another 3 pictures

[Emilio Monedero]

Great, fantastic!!!

[Rafa]

After that I visited another one, we dicovered last year with other friend, in another new UTM. This locality is very little and  quite damaged, far too many rabbits and some trash  

[Gerry Webster]

Great, fantastic!!!

Yes!