Ophrys and some others! 2011

[SteveC2]

Coming to the end now with two forms of Ophrys tenthredinifera.  Only reinholdii to come now but that's a few weeks away.  It was last to flower last year as well!

[Tony Willis]

Steve very nice. The one I photographed in Spain was over 30cms tall ,growing at the base of a spiny shrub.

Last of my tender ones now in flower (not the dactylorhiza which is hardy)

Orchis morio
Orchis mascula (not sure about my identification here)
Orchis tridentata (not sure about my identification here)
Orchis pallens
Dactylorhiza sambucina

[SteveC2]

Nice plants Tony.
Can't help thinking that your mascula has some morio in it, those stripy wings suggest this.  Here's one of my morios for comparison.
Orchis pallens has been one of my disappointments this year, decent sized plant no flower.
My tridentata is some weeks away from flowering yet.
Here's a picture of my yellow sambucina, just for completeness.

[daveyp1970]

I think morio as well Tony.

[Neil]

Tony

Orchis morio is now Anacamptis morio.  Also regarding O. mascula that will spotted leaves and A morio will have non spotted leaves.

[daveyp1970]

Tony

Orchis morio is now Anacamptis morio.  Also regarding O. mascula that will spotted leaves and A morio will have non spotted leaves.

Neil O.mascula can have plain green leaves as well.

[Neil]

Tony

Orchis morio is now Anacamptis morio.  Also regarding O. mascula that will spotted leaves and A morio will have non spotted leaves.

Neil O.mascula can have plain green leaves as well.

Davey, 

All my literature says that they have spotted leaves, but that is for ones from this country, but a quick search shows that the further south you go the less spots there are on the leaves and many are spot less. 

[fredg]

I must admit that I find a thread called Ophrys 2011 a strange place to find photos and discussions on Orchis / Anacamptis. Have I missed something?

[Tony Willis]

Fred early on I broadened it out to include orchis and mentioned this in my first post

Neil

you can call me a dinosaur but I am ignoring the name change,its only an opinion.I live in the expectation it will revert back or will be called something else in my life time and if it is after I am gone well I shall not be worried by it.

I am grateful for the opinions about the plant but when it is next to a morio of which I have several it is very different in the shape of the flowers. However it has plain leaves very similar in form to the morio.

I am meeting with a member of the Hardy Orchid Society on Saturday and so will take it for an opinion in the flesh and will report back

[daveyp1970]

Tony

Orchis morio is now Anacamptis morio.  Also regarding O. mascula that will spotted leaves and A morio will have non spotted leaves.

Neil O.mascula can have plain green leaves as well.

Davey, 

All my literature says that they have spotted leaves, but that is for ones from this country, but a quick search shows that the further south you go the less spots there are on the leaves and many are spot less. 

Neil we have plain leaved colonies here i will take some pics for you,in fact i will try to work out the percentage.

[Neil]

Tony

Orchis morio is now Anacamptis morio.  Also regarding O. mascula that will spotted leaves and A morio will have non spotted leaves.

Neil O.mascula can have plain green leaves as well.

Davey, 

All my literature says that they have spotted leaves, but that is for ones from this country, but a quick search shows that the further south you go the less spots there are on the leaves and many are spot less. 

Neil we have plain leaved colonies here i will take some pics for you,in fact i will try to work out the percentage.

Oh well there goes that theory then, however all those locally to me do have spots!

[Maggi Young]

 

[SteveC2]

Thank you Maggi.  I've been wondering how to change the name of the thread ever since Tony introduced his "others".  Not that I'm complaining as it seems that there are very few forumists growing Ophrys, judging by the lack of contributions, and I have enjoyed seeing Tony's "half-hardies" which seem to very much mirror my own collection, albeit one or two weeks ahead in the flowering schedule.  Maybe it's warmer up in Lancashire, or he keeps his greenhouse warmer than mine, but it's a good job it's not a race or he'd win hands down.

[Tony Willis]

Steve

I have mine in small clay pots plunged in sand with a soil warming cable set to 5c. I have built a box covered in bubble polythene which sits over them in winter. The lid is open most of the time and closed when it is freezing mainly at night. This winter I have also piled extra bubble wrap on top as it has been the coldest we have ever experienced here. I would not let them freeze. it is normally a relatively mild area. My biggest problem is damp as it rains(not for the last three weeks) most days and the humidity is terrible year round.

My yellow Dactylorhiza sambucina which is hardy and kept in a cold frame.

[Alex]

Beautiful sambucina, Tony. I tried for a few years to get the yellow form but only got pinks.

Ophrys splendida and Orchis purpurea here today.