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Hans J

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2011, 04:29:00 PM »
Matt & Lukas ,

I agree that the first plant is a hybrid from the P.daurica group

To the second plant :
I do not believe it is P.mascula hellenica - after my expierence ( I saw it on the mainland of Greece and on the island of Andros ) are they more grey green -and the leaves are more pointet and not round
please look here :
the first pic is a plant of P.mas. hellenica from a other greek island :
the second picture is taken on a trip on Andros :
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2011, 04:41:22 PM »
Matt ,

my idea is that your plant could be P.flavescens from Sicily .....
It is a chaotic situation on Sicily ....there grows P.mascula types which sometimes flower in mixed populations ( pink and white ) ...and also grows there P.russoi ( which is more rare )

Here is a pic of a plant which I have grown from seed - collect from me .

Please look for the shape and the color ...I think it is similar to your plant .

The oldest name for this plants is P.flavescens ....later they are distributet under P.mascula hellenica ...a other name was P.mascula sicula -my idea for this plants would be P.mascula confusa  ;D
This plants have sometimes also white flowers with dark blotches
I'm sorry my old pics are only slides from my earlier travels...so they look not so nice

It is the common problem ...a plant without a location is not a good plant  :-\

Hans 8)
« Last Edit: April 10, 2011, 11:01:19 PM by Hans J »
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2011, 05:59:28 PM »
Paeonia emodi
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2011, 08:57:53 PM »
Do peonies get the measles?

A couple of my tree peonies have pink spots on their leaves - rather pretty but I'm worried it is a virus...
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2011, 12:06:46 AM »
Quote from: Hans J on April 10, 2011, 04:29:00 PM
Matt & Lukas ,

I agree that the first plant is a hybrid from the P.daurica group

To the second plant :
I do not believe it is P.mascula hellenica - after my expierence ( I saw it on the mainland of Greece and on the island of Andros ) are they more grey green -and the leaves are more pointet and not round
please look here :
the first pic is a plant of P.mas. hellenica from a other greek island :
the second picture is taken on a trip on Andros :

Hi Lukas & Hans,

Thank you for your comments.

This is the demonstration how the same plant can look different in different types of soil even in the same garden!
The first image and the following three are from clones (divisions) of THE SAME PLANT! I transplanted and divided the original plant 2 years ago and I replanted the division in different areas of the garden. The plant (the first image) in poorer sunnier soil is almost pink, the other plants (the other three images), in better soil, are much taller , have bigger leaves and almost pure white flowers...However...Hans you are right, no precise provenance, no good plant!
After having seen the posted images of true mascula hellenica I am also convinced than my plants are p. x chamaeleon, whose flowers can be very variable (the name says it all!...pink, coral, apricot, white, often blotched...)...whilst the leaves are unmistakeably of a daurica complex hybrid.

Attached to this message the first flower of a bunch of seedlings from Sicily (the quality of the pics is just about ok...sorry). It is Paeonia flavescens, after Hong De-Yuan last revision, P. mascula ssp. russii. Although all plants came from the same population, they look relatively different. The plant in flower in the background has rounded leaves slightly hairy on the back, where the plant in the foreground has more pointed leaves that are completely glabrous....This mascula russi & corsica [from a)Sicily, b)Sardinia & Corsica and c)Ionian Islands] classification is still a mystery for me!...Paeonia mascula CONFUSA...well said Hans!

Matt



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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2011, 05:13:40 PM »
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2011, 05:33:09 PM »
Few images from Kew Gardens:

Paeonia clusii, in the Alpine House (it is like a cold conservatory)...with more than 20 flowers on the same plant...STUNNING!

Paeonia kavachensis (apparently now P. daurica subsp. coriifolia), in the Rock Garden.

...and a tribute to the very unlucky areas on North East Japan: Glaucidium palmatum in the Woodland Garden. The genus Glaucidium, in the Ranunculaceae family, is strictly related to the genus Paeonia.

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2011, 08:38:39 PM »
Giles - thank you for that link, I hadn't come across it before.

Matt - that picture of P. clusii takes your breath away, fantastic!  I've never managed to coincide a visit to Kew with the clusii in flower.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2011, 11:34:24 PM »
Quote from: Matt on April 11, 2011, 05:33:09 PM
Few images from Kew Gardens:

Paeonia clusii, in the Alpine House (it is like a cold conservatory)...with more than 20 flowers on the same plant...STUNNING!



I agree a real beauty
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2011, 08:55:20 AM »
I can't decide which picture or peony I like best, really tempting pictures. Thank you for showing them!
I wish my P.kavanchensis is someday as beautiful as the one in the picture, it is now two year old seedling.

I have only white form of Glacidium palmatum, and haven't wanted a blue one, so that the seeds would come true white from my plants (and the blue ones I have seen were more pale blue),  but seeing that blue Glaucidium palmatum now I have to reconsider!
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2011, 06:52:52 PM »
Wow, Matt,

marvellous plants you have fotographed for us!

Here are some pictures of my garden from the weekend.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2011, 07:36:38 PM »
Maybe Paeonia specialists can give me a bit of advice. I have 3 seedlings each,sown June 2008, of P. delavayi angustiloba (SRGC Seed Ex 07/08-2676) and P. delavayi lutea (SRGC Seed Ex 07/08-2678) doing very well indeed and now in 3 litre rose pots. The thing is I doubt if I have room in the garden for one Tree Peony never mind six. Is it possible to grow them in pots and what sort of size would be required for their final potting please?
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2011, 08:55:56 PM »
David ,

it makes in my eyes really no sense to grow this peonies in pots ( sorry ) - they need room for her roots !

Hans
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2011, 11:09:25 PM »
Dear David,

Peonies don't like pots...the root system needs lots of space and sudden variations in temperature and moisture inside a pot, especially in light (peat based) compost, are always deadly. You might be lucky and get some flowers in the first years planting in a 50cm pot, but you will never have a good plant. P. delavayi is very versatile and almost indestructible...I am sure you can find a spot in the garden for at least two of your six plants...even if the position is far from ideal, you will have better plants in deep shade or mangled amongst other shrubs, rather than in a pot.

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2011, 07:49:26 AM »
In Finland snow is melting and peonies are just only coming up.
Here is P.obovata yesterday
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