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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #120 on: April 23, 2011, 08:07:34 PM »
Chris,
Fantastic plants - both of them!

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #121 on: April 23, 2011, 10:35:14 PM »
thanks gerd,
we must phone next week, sorry i wasn´t at home if you phone with me.....
cheers and happy easter
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #122 on: April 24, 2011, 06:43:05 PM »
Paeonia veitchii woodwardii
Paeonia beresowskii

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #123 on: April 24, 2011, 07:56:14 PM »
here a natural form, i´ve lost here name  ??? and a delavayi growing from seed....


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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2011, 07:27:33 PM »
P. beresowskii is a real beauty Giles  :o I love this colour  ;)
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #125 on: April 25, 2011, 08:59:51 PM »
This is the first flower on a seedling P rockii. Raised from seed - thank you Hans. The flower is quite big and is at least 9 ins or 22cm across which took me by surprise when I found it open
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #126 on: April 25, 2011, 10:14:49 PM »
Here are a few more shots of  ostii, rockii, first white, then a pink hybrid.  The last one is a seedling which I plan to keep.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #127 on: April 26, 2011, 11:54:00 AM »
This seedling, which clearly looks to have P. x chamaeleon as a parent, is apparently from P. emodi as seedparent.  The foliage is intermediate, but I have never heard of such a cross.  I did get some seed on P. emodi a few years back and I had tried just about every pollen in the garden on it, plus this was labeled as having been from that seed.  Pity it isn't a bit more attractive, but it does have 3 buds and fades out to cream with pink flares over the week.  There are two such seedlings, one much more like x chamaeleon in habit.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #128 on: April 26, 2011, 12:13:46 PM »
Are you sure it's a hybrid? There's bound to be some variation in seedlings of a hybrid, this is F2? F3?

Not that wide hybrids are that unlikely, I have four plants of veitchii x lutea (F2!) about to flower here, ex Severin Schlyter seeds. So far they've looked like regular P. veitchii, so not sure what to expect...

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #129 on: April 26, 2011, 12:50:15 PM »
It is certainly a hybrid.  Just of what!  All I can guess is, it is actually the seed from P. emodi, either with chamaeleon or anomola pollen, or it is chamaeleon seed with anomola as the pollen parent.  A selfing of chamaeleon is unlikely, when I compare other such seedlings, which all resembled the parent closely.

I'm not really sure what characteristics are good to follow in dertermining hybrid parentage.  One of the seedlings has very typical chamaeleon foliage, while the other is glossier and narrower.  It could even be that they are not related and one was deposited via garden wildlife.  P. x chamaeleon produces yearly lots of seed.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #130 on: April 26, 2011, 01:15:33 PM »
Pink rockii is a very nice flower Jamie  ;)
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #131 on: April 26, 2011, 01:21:07 PM »
I really need to hire a proof reader, I ment to say it could be a selfed P. x chamaeleon, but if it's labelled as being from seeds of P. emodi then I guess that it really is a hybrid of that species!

P. x chamaeleon does produce a ton of seeds, I have a couple ex McLewin seeds, but neither show any signs of fading to white and are quite inferior plants, really. (That goes for most of the primary herbaceous hybrids I've grown, they're hardly ever better than their parents.)

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #132 on: April 26, 2011, 02:31:06 PM »
I really need to hire a proof reader, I ment to say it could be a selfed P. x chamaeleon, but if it's labelled as being from seeds of P. emodi then I guess that it really is a hybrid of that species!

P. x chamaeleon does produce a ton of seeds, I have a couple ex McLewin seeds, but neither show any signs of fading to white and are quite inferior plants, really. (That goes for most of the primary herbaceous hybrids I've grown, they're hardly ever better than their parents.)

I agree, most progeny are not better than the parents in the F2, most inferior, some just plain different.  A few of mine have good flowers and somewhat golden foliage, but most have strappy blossoms.  I dusted these seedlings with pollen from Athena, which has better form and substance, just to see.

Nicole,  if you want some seed, I'll send you some, but they may not be selfs.  I've dusted pollen of P. ludlowii on many blossoms this year.  In any case, what seeds I get should be interesting to bloom.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #133 on: April 26, 2011, 06:59:40 PM »
Here are a few more shots of  ostii,..............

Saw a potted version of P. ostii (in a very big pot at £45) at Pinetree Garden Nursery near St Austell. It had a divine scent.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #134 on: April 26, 2011, 07:53:23 PM »
Hello,

here are some pictures of this weekend. Due to transplantation I have only a few of my beloved rockii-seedlings which are flowering this year. But a few from my Peony-Hedge are in full flower. The rose Hybrid without any blotches is a rockii-Hybrid. I have also received white seedlings which are looking like Feng Dan Bai as offspring of the mother plant rockii subsp. rockii (ex linyanshanii). Fascinating! :-) I am convinced, that there are much more plants flowering next year. And then the planmting site looks much more floriferous.
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