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Olga Bondareva

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #240 on: May 26, 2011, 08:05:17 AM »
Probably natural hybrid P.wittmaniana x P. caucasica.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #241 on: May 26, 2011, 10:11:16 AM »
thx olga, very interesting!
was the picture taken in the wild?

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Olga Bondareva

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #242 on: May 26, 2011, 10:25:13 AM »
matt, picture is taken in my garden 3 years after finding. It's one of two found plants. The second plant photographed in the wild:
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #243 on: May 26, 2011, 01:23:38 PM »
great and very interesting pics!

i dont have a great experience with the wittmanniana complex...i am not sure i have ever seen a TRUE wild collected plant.

are the carpels of your plants tomentose (normal wittmanniana) or glabrous (steveniana)?....although some botanist say the populations are "mixed" in the wild and that the hairiness of the carpels is not enough to "create" a species separated from wittmanniana...same as the dimension of the leaves in the case of macrophylla...

however...i read of wild collected wittmanniana (or steveniana) seeds that generated plants with pale pink flowers...so your plants might not be hybrids. was the population from which your plant came mainly with white flowers and only occasionally pink? does caucasica share the same habitat?

may be german hans has seen wild plants...let's see what he has to say!

matt
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Olga Bondareva

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #244 on: May 26, 2011, 01:40:44 PM »
matt,
I didn't look at carpels.  ::) The only white paeony described for that location is P. wittmaniana. 99.99% of plants in it had pure white flowers


P. caucasica does not grow closely to that place. But a couple of kilometers can't stop bees...
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #245 on: May 26, 2011, 04:34:31 PM »
Nice pictures Olga !

Matt : Sorry but I have not visit habitats of P.wittmanniana

It is difficould to say anything without looking the plant in nature - but if Olga confirm that on this place grows only P.wittmaniana so I dont believe that it is a hybrid

Hans
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #246 on: May 27, 2011, 01:09:20 PM »
It COULD be quiet possible just pink form of pure P. wittmanniana, not hybrid. To confirm the hybrid nature of some discussable plant group/race the DNA sequencing MUST be done, not least.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #247 on: May 29, 2011, 07:47:26 PM »
I have posted some of these elsewhere but can anybody provide names or suggestions?

This one is an old plant I saved from a neglected garden in Oslo 35 years ago:

297079-0  


These are seedlings, of what? maybe crosses of course ;)

 297081-1    297083-2    297085-3    


From China: No1

297089-4    297093-5    


No 2

297087-6    297091-7    


This one I know: a fortuitous cross and selfsowed plant, progeny of delavayi and lutea!

297095-8    
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #248 on: May 30, 2011, 02:56:52 PM »
To me your third seedling looks like some kind of P.officinalis,
and no2 from China looks  very much like my P.obovata ssp willmottiae.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #249 on: May 30, 2011, 11:25:27 PM »
Here are two unknown Paeonia.

The red is almost twelve inches across.

Found at a friends house in Scituate, MA.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #250 on: May 31, 2011, 10:04:44 PM »
Quote from: Leena on May 30, 2011, 02:56:52 PM
To me your third seedling looks like some kind of P.officinalis,
and no2 from China looks  very much like my P.obovata ssp willmottiae.

Thanks, Leena. Maybe you are right ;D
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #251 on: June 01, 2011, 01:54:18 PM »
Peony season has started in Finland :).
I have grown this P.obovata from seed, and it started to flower a week ago.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #252 on: June 01, 2011, 02:00:45 PM »
This next is an unknown peony and if anyone could say what it is, I would be so happy.
I got it from a friend, who had bought it ten years ago from market in Tallin, Estonia, as a white form of P.mollis, but it's leaves are different from the P.mollis which is sold here in Finland.
This peony started to flower the same day as P.mlokosewitchii, and also P.mollis opened it's flowers the same day. No hybrids are yet close to flowering here.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #253 on: June 01, 2011, 02:02:14 PM »
My P.mollis
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Olga Bondareva

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #254 on: June 05, 2011, 11:24:19 AM »
Peonies at my friends garden




Unknown one looks like yours Leena
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