Iris and some Irids 2010

[Regelian]

Here are a few shots of my 'pumila pan'.  I received both plants from Joseph Mayr, better known for his amazing oncocyclus culture in Bavaria.  As these are never truly deciduous, I take it they come from the German-Alps area.

Wish I had my better camera, but it is out-of-house!

[WimB]

Flowering here today:

a plant I bought as Iris bucharica (I thought it was supposed to be white/yellow and not blue/yellow?)

[Miriam]

Wim,

You are right- Iris bucharica should be white and yellow.
Your plant seems to be a hybrid of Iris bucharica...maybe Iris graeberiana x Iris bucharica, like is shown here:
http://www.junos.ca/HTML%20Pages/graebhyb-1.html

[Miriam]

Beautiful plants everybody!
I have some seedlings of these species... Can't wait to see them in flower 

[Lesley Cox]

Flowering here today:

a plant I bought as Iris bucharica (I thought it was supposed to be white/yellow and not blue/yellow?)

But you are surely not complaining Wim.

[WimB]

@ Miriam: thanks for the determination: some other people thought it was Iris x graeberiana 'Yellow Fall'. I'm not sure but it's nice.

@  Lesley: Not complaining  just want to know what I'm growing... although even without a name it's very nice... (a rose by any other name...)

[Regelian]

Wim,

here is what i have as I. graeberiana Yellow Falls.  It certainly looks like your plant.  Of course, as I have this from Nijssen, I have no idea if the variety is correct.  I have quite a few mislabled plants from them.

Jamie

[PeterT]

Wim,

here is what i have as I. graeberiana Yellow Falls.  It certainly looks like your plant.  Of course, as I have this from Nijssen, I have no idea if the variety is correct.  I have quite a few mislabled plants from them.

Jamie

dosn't look quite right to me, is it still a small bulb?
Here is what I have as I autosyndetica

[PeterT]

Iris autosyndetic

[Lesley Cox]

Where on earth did that name come from Peter?

Of course I. graeberiana 'Yellow Falls' is, I believe, graeberiana x bucharica so anyone repeating the cross would likely get a selection of variations. Should the original clone be called just 'Yellow Fall?'

They all look very nice to me.

[PeterT]

hello Lesley, I just grow them - I (usually) don't invent the names.
Iris autosyndetica = Iris pumila x hoogiana, simonet 1938 ( before white's aril hybreds) has a reputation for being variable in coulor which fits given its parents, but posiably variable in coulor in a single clone though I have yet to observe this

[Regelian]

Wim,

here is what i have as I. graeberiana Yellow Falls.  It certainly looks like your plant.  Of course, as I have this from Nijssen, I have no idea if the variety is correct.  I have quite a few mislabled plants from them.

Jamie

dosn't look quite right to me, is it still a small bulb?
Here is what I have as I autosyndetica

Peter,
yes, it is still a small bulb.  First year blooming.  Lesley made an interesting point, although i suspect all the Dutch industry produced bulbs are the same clone.  It could be there is another clone in North America, or the conditions are simply different.  As I mentioned, I am really unsure as to the veracity of the name, just that mine does look like what marches about here as 'Yellow Falls'.

I autosyndetica!  Is this a remake of the cross?  Fascinating to see one.  Have you worked with it in hybridizing?

Lesley, this was an experimental cross from Simonet to see how two tetraploids would breed.  As I. pumila has 2n=4x=32 chromosomes (8-8-8-8) and I. hoogiana has 2n=4x=44 chr. (11-11-11-11), this hybrid an amphidiploid (chromosomes 8-8-11-11) and thus fertile.  The term used back then for such a plant was an autosyndetic genome, thus the name.  Obviously, Simonet didn't think much about fanciful names for his hybrids, but he was a scientist!

Yes, more than you wanted to know

[Armin]

Iris autosyndetica = Iris pumila x hoogiana, simonet 1938 ( before white's aril hybreds) has a reputation for being variable in coulor which fits given its parents, but posiably variable in coulor in a single clone though I have yet to observe this

Peter,
your Iris cross resembles in habitus my I. pumila posted in Bearded Iris http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=371.645, page 44, reply 656).
It gives me an idea what hybrid origin it could be. thanks.

[PeterT]

I think this will be an origional clone Jaimie.
On the whole, while I grow  hybreds I like, I am only interested in creating pure species seed. I value autosindetica as a plant also as a piece of horticultural history and as an example of an intersectional cross, If you would like to hybridise with it you are welcome to a fan. It might be an interesting direction as it is not what I believe is currently being worked on though I may be wrong.

[Hristo]

Arilbreds are performing well in the open garden, 2 years ago a couple of tatty rhizome left overs were planted out, the best sections coddled in a frame, the left overs are out-performing the frame grown plants by orders of magnitude!!!
Iris Vera-Olivia