Lilium 2011

[greenspan]

I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... Any suggestions are welcome...

in my opinion...yes

here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.

the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china; my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?

[Pascal B]

Not seen the brown leaf edge on my plants but the plant looks very similar to yours so great if it is amoenum.... Have you ever tried to pollinate it? Would love this one get established in cultivation on a wider scale. Provided I don't kill it during winter and it will flower again I am willing to exchange pollen with who ever also got it.

And Bjørnar....., not fair.... You said you were going to places that were already pretty explored, you didn't say they would be full of one of my favourite Lilium species..... Souliei really shows how close Frittilaria and Lilium sometimes are and I love that deep red, probably the only red flower I like come to think of it......

[greenspan]

@pascal

the amoenum flowered not at the same time (the taller one was the first, the smaller one flowered when the first one ended flowering) and i didn't know that i have 2 different amoena in my garden so i didn't store the pollen of the first one in a fridge. now i found out, that i got a third lot of amoena...they emerged very late, unfortunately without flowers but with the same brown line at the leaf-margins. i will dig them all out in autumn, because i fear they are not hardy enough here in south germany/z6b.

[Alessandro.marinello]

 Similar  to my Lilium sp. that they are not successful to identify

[Pascal B]

@pascal

the amoenum flowered not at the same time (the taller one was the first, the smaller one flowered when the first one ended flowering) and i didn't know that i have 2 different amoena in my garden so i didn't store the pollen of the first one in a fridge. now i found out, that i got a third lot of amoena...they emerged very late, unfortunately without flowers but with the same brown line at the leaf-margins. i will dig them all out in autumn, because i fear they are not hardy enough here in south germany/z6b.

Before I release anything in the garden I always first want to have an ID and at least some seeds/seedlings/offsets before I take the risk with rare plants. This one, like the L. sempervivoideum I posted earlier, will remain in its pot and overwinter in the frostfree glasshouse. I have selfpollinated both and sempervivoideum has a growing seedpod but the seeds can still turn out to be blanks. I will pm you next year when I have pollen available.

@Alesandro, sure looks very much like it too, very nice flower!

[Susan Band]

I have noticed both colours of Lilium taliense but I presumed that I had grown a batch of seedlings. Not sure if any plants had both on the same stalk.
Susan

[gote]

can I slip this in here for IDing? Right now it's being tortured in a smll pot but this hasnt stopped it producing 6 flower stems. I think it's L. duchartei.

Would it suit a trough or is it better released in to the ground?

To me it looks more like cernuum with those narrow leaves. Lankongense/duchartreii is usually at least 60cm up to 120cm tall when flowering with more than one flower. Cernuum is less than 60 cm.
Cernuum leaves are less than 5mm wide. Lankongese leaves are more than 5mm wide.
Lankongese and duchartreii are by some considered to be the same species. Lankongense is supposed to be pink with flowers in a raceme wheras duchartreii is white with flowers in umbel (but nodding turkscap) I have seen intermediate forms. Both tend to have stems that go sideways underground for up to half a meter befor emerging.

Anyway: Most forms of all three are completely frost hardy in mid Sweden so I would plant it out as soon as possible.

Cheers
Göte   

[gote]

Zihair, it is he same type of virus that was present in Lilium tigrinum,when it was grown by the thousands.

As you know, nowadays is seldom grown as it is the symptomless carrier of all Lilium viruses.

Edit by maggi: Ezeiza refers to  this post from June 19th 2011

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7193.msg205371#msg205371

Can anybody help me with identification of virus mosaic symptoms on Asiatic lilies?
I am very keen in identifying virus symptoms on oriental and other lilies, which have wide leaves. But I've never seen how virus looks in Asiatic lilies, which have narrow leaves. I grow around 35 lily species and cultivars, taking a special and individual care of them and so far I didn't have problems with virus. I have seen virused oriental lilies in my colleagues garden, who grows lilies for cutting.

Last year I got some Soviet-bred Asiatic lilies from Siberia and one cultivar looks very suspicious. At the beginning it looked .O. K., but later the leavesbecame very strange (darker green spots on general green ground with some yellowish tones). I don't know if it is virus or not. For virus identification, as a rule I observe younger upper leaves, as virus symptoms are better seen on younger leaves. But in this case, it is different: young leaves look O.K., but in a period of time they turn yellowish with darker spots. maybee Luit can help me, showing this pictures to the lily specialists?

Lilium lancifolium (tigrinunm) is also available as diploid form that can be propagated by seed and these should be virus free.
Göte

[gote]

I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... Any suggestions are welcome...

in my opinion...yes

here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.

the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china; my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?

Also in my opinion it is amoenum. A most beautiful lily but difficult to overwinter. It is one of the few i would grow in a pot - at least until I got several to experiment with. It might be OK in Holland but in Mid Sweden it is a loss.  I have found that in my climate there are a few species like Lilium amoenum and Cymbidium goeringii that will show no obvious frost damage in the winter but will refuse to start growing in the spring.

The flowers are of different age. is this the reason?

Cheers
Göte   

[gote]

the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china; my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?

Today I noticed the same phenomenon on a lijiangense. Flowers open yellow and fade to near white during their span of life.
Göte

[Pascal B]

A Lilium from N Vietnam, not sure what species it is, possibly Lilium poilanei but it is different in habit to the plant sold under that name by Crûg Farm. Can anyone show a picture of a flowering Crûg Lilium poilanei to compare?. The Crûg plant is supposed to be quite similar to Lilium nepalense which suggests it might be Lilium majoense and not poilanei.

Scent of this plant is very strong in the evening, the entire glasshouse was filled with it and the reason I noticed the first flower was open. After the second flower opened I left the door open during the night, the smell is very nice but so strong it gave me a headache.

[Diane Clement]

A lilium that I hope someone can identify.  Sorry about the poor picture, I'll try and take a better one, but I suspect that someone here might know what it is from this picture.  I have had this twice, the first time it was supposed to be Lilium souilei and the second time it was bought as Lilium amoenum.  I'm sure it's neither!  It has dangerous looking black stem bulbils and doesn't flower for me (the first time I had it, it went in the bin).  I'd be grateful for any help in identification, I'm sure others must have had this plant.

[arisaema]

Pascal;

Isn't L. majoense more Northernly? Our Chinese friend told me she got them from Sichuan...

Diane;

That lily was identified in a lily thread a year or two ago, it's a white trumpet, but I can't remember which one of them. They are usually virused.

[Tony Willis]

I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... Any suggestions are welcome...

in my opinion...yes

here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.

Just back from holiday and my two 'Lilium amoenum' (not sure what they are yet) have emerged into growth and both have a reddish brown leaf edge. They will not flower this year.

My lilium  from N. Vietnam are still in early bud but if they look like Pascal's I will be pleased. They are supposed to be Lilium poilanei

[Pascal B]

Pascal;

Isn't L. majoense more Northernly? Our Chinese friend told me she got them from Sichuan...

Bjornar, this one is not from Chen Yi.  Regarding majoense, who knows where it occurs...... As Lilium are used as medicine throughout these areas they might as well be cultivated and escaped. Either this or the Crug plant could also be a new species but of the 2 different collection numbers I bought from Crug none are flowering size yet, one even fell apart into several small ones..., not sure if that makes me happy or not....

One thing is for sure, they both definitely come from N Vietnam but show a different habit so it doesn't seem they are the same taxon.