Lilium 2011

[johnw]

A friend just sent me these shots of a Lilium we gave her at a plant sale.  She says it is over 8 feet tall. I immediately assumed it was L. henryi as that one is in flower here now, on inspection it appears not to be furthermore hers does not appear to be a scrambler.  Her garden can be a week or two later than ours.  As best as I recall the only ones we had at the sale were henryi, formosanum, bulbiferum canadense, pardalinum, nepalense and michiganense. Could it be pardalinum?  I don't however recall the green centre?

johnw

[Afloden]

John, that looks a lot like Lilium superbum, but may be a pardalinum hybrid.
 
 I personally would consider L. speciosum clivorum a good variety rather than just another variant. It has phenology on its side and I have yet to get pollen from it to be accepted on my typical speciosum. Type description below. Also L. gloriosoides really should be a good species. It is native to the Lushan Mts of Guangxi (China) and is highly disjunct from Japan, but the Taiwan material is better placed near the Japanese plants. Not sure if molecular work would support this since I know Taiwan has a history of both Sino-Himalayan and Sino-Japanese phtyogeographic patterns let alone the many tropical elements of its flora..


II. Lillium speciosum var. clivorum S. Abe et Tamura var, nov.
'L . speciosum var. gloriosoides Baker' Grove in New F1. Silva, III, Fig. VII
(1930).-' L, speciosum punctatum ', Wallace in Roy. Hort. Soc. Lily Yearbook, IV, 126
(1935).
Bulb flattened globose, scales rather loosely imbricated, 4-6 cm. long, 1.3--2 cm.
wide, lanceolate, acuminate. Stem rather slender, 0.9-1.3 m, long, tending from suberect
to sub-pendulous, usually nodding at the top. Leaves tending to 1/2--phyllotaxis,
subnutant, broad-lanceolate to elliptic-ovate, slightly larger than the type, 12-20 cm.
long, 4-6 cm. wide, 0.2-0.3 mm. thick, attenuate, rather dark green (31"m.), strongly
impressed along nerves, wavy in the margin. Flowers more lightly colored than
the type, faded or margined, sometimes blotched, pendulous ; blossoms 2-3 weeks
earlier than the type ; pedicel rather slender, 11--14 cm, long, 0.25-0.3 cm. diameter ;
perianth-segments much reflexed, much wavy ; stigma subcapitately truncate.
Plant growing in Nagasaki is similar to the plant from Shikoku, but differs in
the following characteristics.
Bulb globose, but slightly flattened ; scales broad-lanceolate ; stem 0.6 to 1 m.
long, tending to sub-erect ; leaves moderate green (31 m). Blossoms 2-3 weeks ear324
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her than the type variety, but later than the plant from Shikoku ; pedicels rather
rigid, 8-11 cm. long, 0.3--0.4 cm, in diameter.
Folia : phyllotaxis plerumque 1/2, nutantiuscula late lanceolata vel ovate-elliptica,
apice gradatim attenuata, nervis valde impresses, margine repanda. Flores ; stigmate
subcapitao-truncata, patet praecocciore quam typo.
Nom Jap.: Taki-Yuri (nom. vernacul. in Shikoku. Etymologia Taki-cautes, Yuri--
Lilium).

[johnw]

Aaaron - Thanks so much. I think you've hit the nail on the head.

We grow pardalinum but it never flowers as the bed get rather dry at times from tree roots.  L. vollmeri flowered for awhile in another bed though and it never got much taller than a meter and always looked squinny. So it made not much sense that our friend would have a pardalinum in a very cold garden and so tall too, her beds are very sandy, mind you we have had a summer of torrential rains.  L. superbum certainly makes more sense. Now we must figure out how it got into our lily collection and did a Vancouver friend send it as pardalinum #2 years ago.   

I was in the Annapolis Valley today at 28c.  24c on the coast which is warm for here.  It is going to 13/14c at night. Definitely a change in the air and light and feeling a bit autumnal.

johnw

[Pascal B]

Lilium sulphureum which this year reaches nearly 2 meters tall for the tallest (just as my glasshouse). One was slightly pinkish, the tallestonly white and yellow. The odd thing is that the buds before they open already produces some sweet fluid which attracts all sort of insects including the wasp on the last picture.

[art600]

Does Lilium nepalense have bulbils in the leaf axils?

[Pascal B]

Does Lilium nepalense have bulbils in the leaf axils?

No, it produces underground runners to reproduce. L. sulphureum and sargentiae are 2 species that do produce bulbils in the leaf axils but nepalense definitely not.

[arisaema]

My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China

Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte

Definitely N. aperta, this particular form is formerly known as N. forrestii.

[Tony Willis]

My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China

Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte

Definitely N. aperta, this particular form is formerly known as N. forrestii.

Thank you both for the identification,as usual the differences seem barely discernable. I have crossed it with the second one and also with the aperta from Giles and both have produced a lot of seed.

[Michael J Campbell]

Lilium ex Supermarket  

[mark smyth]

Where you all buy the colour forms of L. martagon?

[arisaema]

H.W.Hyde has plenty, also The Lily Nook in Canada.

http://www.hwhyde.co.uk/lilies/martagons/
http://www.lilynook.mb.ca/martagon.html

[mark smyth]

  Oh, no. I shouldnt have asked and I shouldnt have looked

Thanks for showing me a web site I dont know

[Ulla Hansson]

Mark, here is a site with beautiful Martagon lilies.
 http://www.lilijas.info/

[art600]

Normally if I want info on a lily I google it.

In the case of Lilium davoricum - nothing.

Can anyone give me some detail - height, type of soil etc.

I have a pot of 'seedlings' that look good for the garden.

Thanks

[Tony Willis]

Arthur

if you just google ' davoricum' you will get some results but they do not help much