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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2011, 09:00:36 AM »
I posted a picture from Tromso in Northern Norway of what I was told by the owner was Allium atropurpureum here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3874.0;attach=151651;image

Mark subsequently discussed this plant and that he thought initially it was Allium atrosanguineum, but the verdict is still out. Whatever, it is a striking plant!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5766.msg129263#msg129263

I was given a plant, but it has yet to flower. The original plant wasn't in a particularly damp spot, but Tromso gets a lot of snow, so it will be damp until mid-summer at least. My location is on the dry side.
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 09:03:53 AM »
Oron,
WOW WOW WOW!!!
the results of five days horse riding in the mountains.. ;)
Next time, you should request extra pay for ruining your... :-X ;D ;D
Miriam!
he said it was  a horse he was riding not an  :-X ;D ;D !
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2011, 09:31:38 AM »
Thanks Oron for double-ouching it across Kazakhstan to  introduce me to Allium atrosanguineum and Aquilegia atrovinosa
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2011, 11:13:47 AM »
Oron thank you so much for the fantastic photos of such striking plants. As I started reading and looking I thought wow I would love to grow those Alliums and the Aquilegia till I read about the elevation and the dampness. My lust suddenly did a downward spiral. Please let us know when you are down the bottom of the hill as then I can begin to think maybe...
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2011, 11:41:58 AM »
Allium atrosanguineum group is very interesting but I don't know how to cultivate it. I twice tried to introduce it (as A. fedtschenkoanum and species nova illustrated in Buried Treasures under name "A. kaufmanniana") and in both cases failed. In spring soil in their localities is extremely wet - I saw A. fedtschenkoanum coming out from ~ 0.5 m deep water. Allium collected as kaufmanniana grew in spot where spring coming out from slope made small bog. But what happens there later - I don't know. Collecting from so wet and sticky clay was extremely difficult, but plants didn't came up following spring. Maybe they need very wet soil all the year round and in winter are covered under so deep snow that soil remain unfrozen. I don't know. Pity, because they really are very beautiful.
Janis

I have seedlings to experiment with, and my garden does not have many spots that could be called wet.  However, I have found that some Allium species that grow in high meadows and bogs, like Allium plummerae from 7000-8000' in southeastern Arizona and Sonora Mexico, grow just fine in average garden soil without its feet constantly in water.  Same is true of Allium brevistylum and A. validum; two American swamp onions from high meadows, but growable in less than swampy or boggy situations.  That is at least what I'm hoping for with my seedlings of A. fedtschenkoanum... crossing my fingers now.
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2011, 12:04:41 PM »
Tulips were still in flower at high elevations 2500-3400m, blooming just after snow melts.


Tulipa kaufmanniana.JPG
Tulipa kaufmanniana - yellow form.JPG
Tulipa greigii.JPG
Tulipa dasystemon.JPG
Tulipa heterophylla.JPG
Tulipa dasystemonoides.JPG
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 06:06:45 PM by Maggi Young »
Tivon, in the lower Galilee, north Israel.
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2011, 01:04:56 PM »
Oron

Really enjoying your report on the trip to Kazakhstan.

Not a great lover of tulips, but really like the Tulipa dastemonoides - how tall is it?
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2011, 03:48:08 PM »
Not a great lover of tulips, but really like the Tulipa dastemonoides - how tall is it?

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T. dasystemonoides is a tiny one, 5-10 cm high.


There are quite a few Eremurus growing in Kazakhstan, in one area, E. regelli and E. fuscus grow side by side to create some very nice hybrids.

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Eremururs altaicus.JPG
Eremurus regellii x fuscus.JPG
Eremurus cristatus.JPG
Eremurus tianschanicus.JPG
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« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 07:25:01 PM by Oron Peri »
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200m.

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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2011, 04:25:02 PM »
Where did you sleep in the mountains? somewhere upgraded than the transportation?

Miriam, this was one of the places we slept in for 5 nights, it is the Natural reserve of Aksu- Dzabagli, a highly protected reserve of which some parts are forbidden to access since the early 20's of the last century.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 04:30:22 PM by Oron Peri »
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2011, 04:28:38 PM »
Some Ranunculaceae, no doubt that the alpine Trollius liliacinus is the best...

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Trollius liliacinus.JPG
Anemone narcissiflora subsp protracta.JPG
Callianthemum alatavicum.JPG
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 06:05:56 PM by Maggi Young »
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2011, 05:11:47 PM »
ASTONISHING!!!

Thank you Oron

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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2011, 05:39:30 PM »
Not a great lover of tulips, but really like the Tulipa dastemonoides - how tall is it?

Art

T. dasystemonoides is a tiny one, 5-10 cm high.


There are quite a few Eremurus growing in Kazakhstan, in one area, E. regelli and E. fuscus grow side by side to create some very nice hybrids.

Sorry, Oron, but on attached picture isn't Eremurus cristatus. True cristatus in this entry.
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2011, 06:32:07 PM »
This series of pics are incredible,sooooo many nice plants.
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2011, 07:15:17 PM »
Wonderful, Oron. Thanks for sharing these pics with us!

That Trollius lilacinus  :o :o
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Re: Kazakhstan 2011
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2011, 07:24:06 PM »
Sorry, Oron, but on attached picture isn't Eremurus cristatus. True cristatus in this entry.
Janis

Hi Janis, you are right, it is E. altaicus, Thank you.
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