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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2011, 07:32:01 PM »
some new Crocus today,

Cr.cancellatus ssp.mazziaricus from Parnass in Greece and
possible a native cross between Cr.boryi and tournefortii, the flower more like tournefortii,
the corm like boryi
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2011, 07:55:14 PM »
Great crocuses everyone!
By the way I thought C. abantensis was a spring flowering crocus but apparently I am wrong

Crocus abantensis is spring flowering crocus!
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2011, 08:11:46 PM »
some new Crocus today,

Cr.cancellatus ssp.mazziaricus from Parnass in Greece and
possible a native cross between Cr.boryi and tournefortii, the flower more like tournefortii,
the corm like boryi

A very nice one Dirk !!

Still waiting for my first one of the season.

...... and here it is. Crocus pulchellus 'Inspiration' eleven days earlier than last year.



Well worth the wait David !!
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2011, 08:51:21 PM »
Thanks Luc
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2011, 11:16:03 PM »
Could someone confirm (or deny) please, that the crocus below is C. cancellatus ssp mazziaricus. I've had it as this for many years, from a UK nursery I think but someone questioned it recently. This picture was taken in the southern autumn. Sorry you can't see the outside but you can tell it is striped. The outside background is white or slightly creamy white.
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2011, 01:00:32 PM »
Some more from today:-

Crocus kotschyanus-this one an escape from Tony Willis' plunge which he kindly sent to me in 2008.

Crocus speciosus-seed grown, sown August 2007 and more to come in this pot

Crocus speciosus xantholaimos

   
David Nicholson
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2011, 01:19:20 PM »
Sorry for the delay, Lesley: From the flowers seen on the photo your plant could be C. mazziaricus. To be sure you have to look below soil level - mazziaricus has strong netted corm tunics.

David, great photos. The second flower (speciosus) with the white anthers is obviously hybridised with Crocus pulchellus - speciosus has yellow anthers.
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2011, 01:49:54 PM »
David, great photos. The second flower (speciosus) with the white anthers is obviously hybridised with Crocus pulchellus - speciosus has yellow anthers.

Or it could be just pure pulchellus, Thomas? I can't see much speciosus influence in the flower. David, are you sure the seed was from speciosus and not from pulchellus?
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2011, 02:16:37 PM »
It looks like pulchellus to me too - or a very near hybrid.
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2011, 03:32:15 PM »
You're right Martin looks more like pulchellus,
but I thought that David would be sure that at lease speciosus was one parent ..... :-\
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2011, 03:33:56 PM »
I too think it is pulchellus,they seed around in my plunge and look just like that of David's.
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2011, 03:34:21 PM »
You're right Martin looks more like pulchellus,
but I thought that David would be sure that at lease speciosus was one parent ..... :-\

That's what I thought at first, but mistakes are easily made with seed.
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2011, 03:37:41 PM »
You're right Martin looks more like pulchellus,
but I thought that David would be sure that at lease speciosus was one parent ..... :-\

That's what I thought at first, but mistakes are easily made with seed.

Seed was from 06/07 SRGC Exchange, I didn't record the number, and labelled speciosus. Pulchellus it will be henceforth, it will be interesting to see if all the others are pulchellus when they come up. Thanks for your help folks.
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2011, 04:45:34 PM »
The bud coming up to the right of the flower in your pic also looks like it'll be pulchellus, so it looks like someone mistook a pulchellus seed pod for a speciosus pod.
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Re: Crocus september 2011
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2011, 04:52:27 PM »
.....so it is sure that the seed wasn't of Dutch origin:
In Holland you always get speciosus when you buy pulchellus  ;D
I have tried that several times and always failed :'(
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