Autumn flowering Narcissus 2011

[ArnoldT]

Narcissus cantabricus "Peppermint"

[Maggi Young]

Very nice, Arnold.
I didn't know that cultivar and a search of the RHS register http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=258980   tells me that it was registered by
Walter J.M.Blom in 2003 .

Pretty thing   

[JPB]

Hans, in my oppinion,  I considered in Narcissus it is very important the geographical distribution because it has had evolutive consecuences, it is having and it will have consecuences.
An example of my observations in the nature about it: N. bulbocoidium L. it's a plant that grows in Toledo, Ciudad Real, Extremadura.. in the places where it is growing with N. jonquilla, N. cantabricus, N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus... When the blooming time between N. bulbocodium L. and N. cantabricus it's the same (due the environmental conditions), they produce hybrids in both directions and the procces of speciation starts, evolving to N. albicans. The opposite case in the same crosses between N. nivalis and N. cantabricus, here there is only one direction in this hybrid, and they won't evolve to another species. So, if we consider this as a valid process (not proove, just my theory) we could see that N. albicans has a geographical distribution similar to N. cantabricus and N. bulbocodium L. but  you never will find N. albicans version in a N. nivalis distribution.

Imagine N. x alleniae would be an species, the logical distribution will be Cádiz/North Morocco, where the parent lived in other time. Well this is the same, if we think in the rest of species, the problem is that we can't know the distribution of the ancient parents.

Please, don't think this is a valid theory scientificly prooved, it is just my theory.

Rafa, I agree with you. Your interesting observations show that biogeographical and ecological processes are important in understanding Narcissus. Rather than trying to give a proper name to a certain taxon based on morphology, we simply need to look further at what is actually happening in the field or we will never understand Narcissus..

[Rafa]

Better explained than me, in resume this is what I think.

[ArnoldT]

Maggi:

Thanks, now if I could see the difference between this and other Cantabricus.....

[Maggi Young]

Maggi:

Thanks, now if I could see the difference between this and other Cantabricus.....

  Well, yes, that's another matter , isn't it? 

[ArnoldT]

Narcissus Jessamy  Douglas Blanchard, England, UK 1952

[David Nicholson]

Seed parent: N. romieuxii
Pollen parent: N. cantabricus ssp cantabricus var. foliosus


http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Jessamy&lastpage=1&

[ArnoldT]

Narcissus romieuxii subsp. albidus var. zaianicus

[Brian Duncan]

What we need is a nice new monograph...

Anne,
Work, initiated by the RHS has already commenced on Section Bulbocodium. Collections have been made in many parts of Spain, Portugal and Morocco. Apprporiate molecular work, including DNA sequencing is taking place. Thankfully morphological considerations will not be ignored. This is one of my fears about the dedicated use of modern techniques where it might be possible for so many species with distinct morphological characterists being lumped together - to the further confusion of gardeners.
Brian

[Gerry Webster]

What we need is a nice new monograph...

Anne,
Work, initiated by the RHS has already commenced on Section Bulbocodium. Collections have been made in many parts of Spain, Portugal and Morocco. Apprporiate molecular work, including DNA sequencing is taking place. Thankfully morphological considerations will not be ignored. This is one of my fears about the dedicated use of modern techniques where it might be possible for so many species with distinct morphological characterists being lumped together - to the further confusion of gardeners.
Brian

Brian - this is very good news. When are we likely to see a publication?

[annew]

Hallelujah!!!!

[David Nicholson]

Being a Yorkshireman (with some very diluted Scottish blood) I'll obviously wait until I know how much it us beofre singing Hallelujah

[Anthony Darby]

Ah, some Methodist in your madness David.

[David Nicholson]

Mum was a Methodist, Dad a Baptist and look how I turned out!