Systemic acquired resistance

[ArnoldT]

I'm not sure we can call aspirin a "vaccine".  It reduces the coagulation of red blood cells.  This is a critical event in cardiovascular incidents like stroke and myocardial infarctions.

The less the red blood cells stick to each other the less the blockage of a coronary or cerebral blood vessel.

During one of these events medical personnel administer "clot busters".

[Maggi Young]

Surely the action of the salicylic acid in the case of  its use to activate SAR does qualify as a "sort" of  vaccine, in the way a lay person would understand it? In that the application is hoped to achieve an improved resistance to infection... in the way that a vaccine is understood to do? 

[Croquin]

yes, I was fast but that's the picture.
and here I was not referring to people but to plants.
is it not a "sort" of "vaccine-like" "kind of procedure" in this "type of" "aspirin-like" SAR case ?
or should I be more straightforward ?
 

[Maggi Young]

I thought that  we seemed to be thinking only of  aspirin's application to people.....  

[ArnoldT]

Maggi:

Vaccines give you a 'small dose' of the disease.

Your immune system makes antibodies and keeps them on hand if the real thing comes along.

So you have a template to fight the flu or whatever better due to the presence of an immune system that has already seen this bugger.

[Croquin]

You're correct ArnoldT, my command over english again - sorry. 
I should have written: vaccine-like resistance induction. 

[Maggi Young]

Aha! I'm with you now, Arnold ... got brain engaged !

[Croquin]

Yessss !!   

I have some weird lexical and syntactic mixtures of english and french in the brain, making communication easier in basic norwegian with my polar bear (not a dog on my logo) than with human beings in english - please ask when something I write is unclear.

It is not always possible for me to guess how forumists understand my message and the reasons why of what they reply.
In the current discussion it took me quite a few answers before realizing that people were misunderstanding my statement and why.
This is even more difficult because I usually come with complex topics.

I do not want to bore people by asking them further efforts, but it is also my experience that this non-native impairment can be overcome with a few additional double-checking procedures when something gets weird.

Thanks 

[ronm]

In the recently published past BISSG newsletters for the 1990's Mrs. A. Blanco-White suggests that burying a regular Aspirin ( not fizzing type) under the bulb of susceptible / infected Irises can certainly assist the plant in promoting its immune system. It is even suggested that , leading to a closure of stomata, the plants temperature can be raised , as is seen as the reaction in 'animals'. Did these theories eventually become discreditted, or shall I be popping to the local Pharmacist immediately in the morning?

[Ezeiza]

Years ago, there were a number of virused aroids being CURED, note, CURED, by spraying aspirin and dimethyl sulphoxide (if I remember the chemical well). Aspirin was totally uneffective unless it entered the "blood system". It seems the whole subject is forgotten by now but it did work, ONLY in aroids and all attempts in other types of plants proved useless.

[ronm]

 

[ArnoldT]

Alberto:

DMSO was used in treating orthopaedic injuries twenty years ago.  It passed very quickly through the skin and carried a medication along with it.  Problem was it gave the patient garlic breath.  I guess the sulfur compounds were responsible.  It is generally used as an industrial solvent.

[johnw]

Alberto:

DMSO was used in treating orthopaedic injuries twenty years ago.  It passed very quickly through the skin and carried a medication along with it.  Problem was it gave the patient garlic breath.  I guess the sulfur compounds were responsible.  It is generally used as an industrial solvent.

Arnold  - I think DMSO was in Dip N' Gro at one time, before it was banned.  DNG certainly worked better back in those days. I was warned it was extremely dangerous and so am a bit surprised it was used on injuries.

johnw

[ArnoldT]

It was commonly used by physio's here on sports injuries.

[David Nicholson]

It was commonly used by physio's here on sports injuries.

Arnold, is that why the USA football team never won anything?