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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #165 on: April 17, 2012, 04:14:50 AM »
Well Anthony, if you keep on receiving messages that say that you're lovely, you obviously have a good fan base.  ;D

Mark, not just N. Irish plural.... used lots in a lot of countries.  Here it is probably a particular racial stereotype it is linked with, but I'm not going there.
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #166 on: April 17, 2012, 04:45:03 AM »
Paul,

Gasp! Not all bogans are 'New Australians' like me  :-*

English really does need a second person plural.
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #167 on: April 17, 2012, 05:36:34 AM »
I thought that You was a singular or plural?
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #168 on: April 17, 2012, 06:08:44 AM »
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singular or plural

And that's the point. It betrays English's origin as a pidgin, with a simplified grammar. Other languages retain the second person plural (vous for example). Being able to address youse guys without needing context to tell whether it's a singular or plural you would be useful.
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #169 on: April 17, 2012, 09:20:18 AM »
I think with you, the "you" to whom the speaker is referring would know who he, she, it or they was or were, and if it needed clarifying, "you lot" or "all of you" another collective noun could be used? When I was about 7, I  spent an age trying to remember the plural of sheep! About 15 minutes away from our house we have the largest shopping precinct in New Zealand, Sylvia Park. It must be huge as it advertises 4000 car parks! Clearly something lost in translation there, as I can count fewer (not less) than twenty, but I could quite believe there would be 4000 spaces.
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #170 on: April 17, 2012, 09:45:15 AM »
And that's the point. It betrays English's origin as a pidgin, with a simplified grammar. Other languages retain the second person plural (vous for example). Being able to address youse guys without needing context to tell whether it's a singular or plural you would be useful. 

The simplification has only come relatively recently. "You" was the plural second person when thou and thee were the singular second person form of address.  Some parts of Britain still use thou and thee  ;D
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #171 on: April 17, 2012, 09:49:11 AM »
Can I add I'm so bored and have been since yesterday afternoon.

I'm in Ireland where I gave a lecture last night. I arrived early 3pm, lecture starts at 8pm, so I could visit gardening group members gardens. After the first garden I decided no more. Black plastic with holes cut in for plants does appeal. The plastic was to cut down on weeds  :P :P If s/he was going to put down plastic cover it with bark, gravel or ... Nothing of interest to see except the stunning view of a lake amd mountains. I turned down the chance to view others and went to my hotel room.

The high light was to be told this was "their best lecture, ever". Wow thanks. Makes me wonder what they normally get.

I brought a display of miniature Hostas. No interest except for two who came up for a look. I've got that one, I've got that one .... Have you really I asked. Yes but ours have huge leaves. "Will yours grow up to have huge leaves?" No, these are miniatures. "Well I've got the all". grrrrrrr gritting teeth and keeping quiet.

Supposed to be staying here all day but I'm going home.
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #172 on: April 17, 2012, 09:53:16 AM »
And that's the point. It betrays English's origin as a pidgin, with a simplified grammar. Other languages retain the second person plural (vous for example). Being able to address youse guys without needing context to tell whether it's a singular or plural you would be useful. 

The simplification has only come relatively recently. "You" was the plural second person when thou and thee were the singular second person form of address.  Some parts of Britain still use thou and thee  ;D

'Thee' still used in Yorkshire (mainly by older populations and in dialect), "thou" seems to have been replaced by "tha"-'tha hasn't a chance' -'you haven't a chance'

I get really annoyed with the use of "what of" rather than "what if". It seems to be the norm down here on the edge of the world.
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #173 on: April 17, 2012, 10:08:03 AM »
Pearls before swine Mark. ::)

I'm rather annoyed that hymns are being revised, some beyond recognition, to take "thous" and "thees" etc. out, so "Thine be the Glory" becomes "Yours be/is the Glory". It's like rewriting poetry. If you don't like it, write something new, don't destroy old hymns! There are some lovely new hymns to old and new tunes. They'll be bringing guitars and tambourines into church next! :(
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #174 on: April 17, 2012, 11:30:51 AM »
Pearls before swine Mark. ::)

.....They'll be bringing guitars and tambourines into church next! :(

.... and why not. I'd be happy to contribute, but nothing with a C or G chord in it, fingers won't stretch! I can just about manage a G using my pinkie instead of third finger. Practice makes perfect so I'm told. ::)
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #175 on: April 17, 2012, 11:36:50 AM »
They'll be bringing guitars and tambourines into church next! :(

Well they have already of course.
Re the yous Mark, if you realize you are saying it instead of you, stop yourself. It's in your control. Yous as a plural is  used here by the semi-literate, or maybe a few sheep farmers as they tot up what the lambing percentages are likely to be. :D

Being something of a curmudgeon these days there are hundreds of grammatical, spelling and other language mistakes which annoy me. Maybe I'll start a thread about them some day. ::)
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #176 on: April 17, 2012, 11:49:33 AM »
But a different moan altogether and one I think is justified. For reasons best known to itself, my computer frequently changes a letter I have typed. If I type alpina, it changes it to alpine. If I type incredibly, it changes to incredible. It means I have to go back and proof-read carefully. Who the heck does the computer think it is, to know better then I, what I want to write?
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #177 on: April 17, 2012, 12:04:18 PM »
But a different moan altogether and one I think is justified. For reasons best known to itself, my computer frequently changes a letter I have typed. If I type alpina, it changes it to alpine. If I type incredibly, it changes to incredible. It means I have to go back and proof-read carefully. Who the heck does the computer think it is, to know better then I, what I want to write?

Lesley, are you using a spell checker?
Not sure if they change words or just underline what they think is wrong.

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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #178 on: April 17, 2012, 12:21:54 PM »
I'm with you on this one Lesley. I can cope with red underline, but actually changing words is annoying. I see it on Facebook when people are using their phones: e.g. I had a post from a friend "suffering from a terrible about of 'flu". ::) BTW Here's the 'flu test: "There's a £20 note on the front lawn, it's yours if you can get it". If you can you don't have 'flu!
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Re: Moan, Moan, Moan - 2012
« Reply #179 on: April 17, 2012, 12:26:22 PM »
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Can I add I'm so bored and have been since yesterday afternoon.

Mark, now you know why I keep very quiet here and don't bother with gardening groups. :-X  I Gave a lecture once to the local gardening group,never again, and I never gave a lecture since nor would I even consider any such invitation. :( :( :(

 


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