Fritillaria 2012

[Tony Willis]

Ron

given to me as a gift on a visit to east Germany many years ago. Collected I think as a bulb probably 30+ years ago.

The picture was taken this afternoon. If you look at the picture details on my postings you will see I always include the date in its name.This is when I took the picture (unless you know this it is not obvious).It is helpful when comparing flowering times year on year and also helps that the names on the pictures do not clash in my folders. I have done this since getting a digital camera.

All my frits have now finished except this one and F. liliacea which is just flowering.

[ronm]

Thank you Tony. Great information . I really should have looked at the picture details . Thanks for pointing this out, I am trying to be disciplined enough to always do the same with mine. I asked about your other Frits because I find the actual flowering time less useful than the comparative flowering time ( with other Frits in the same collection). Obviously this is still not definitive. I hope to be able to collect enough data to one day propose some ideas one the relationships here. Thanks again Tony

[Janis Ruksans]

A green form of Fritillaria latifolia collected in the Caucusus

It is Fritillaria collina.
Janis

[Janis Ruksans]

Hello, A friend of mine who showed these 2 pictures to me today, if anyone could help me to identify it? From S.China, thank you in advanced.

May be it really is F. anhuiensis (I never had it). My first opinion was that it looks very similar to the China frit which I named as "close to F. monanthos" - but mine has much narrower leaves. Such were grown as sp. in Gothenburg BG, too (on 2nd picture).
Janis

[Tony Willis]

A green form of Fritillaria latifolia collected in the Caucusus

It is Fritillaria collina.
Janis

A little more effort and I have found I received it as F. latifolia 'Elbrus Gelb'.

I see that Oron found a green form of F. latifolia on his trip to Georgia last year. The Eastern Block gave a new species name to every variation of a plant they found and so I ask are there any significant differences between F. latifolia and F. collina other than the colour

[Gerry Webster]

A green form of Fritillaria latifolia collected in the Caucusus

It is Fritillaria collina.
Janis

Insofar as one can tell from a photo  the description (by Rix) in European Garden Flora suggests to me that  this is F. latifolia - obtuse or rounded & incurved perianth segments; those of F. collina are said to be acute.

[Gerry Webster]

A green form of Fritillaria latifolia collected in the Caucusus

It is Fritillaria collina.
Janis

A little more effort and I have found I received it as F. latifolia 'Elbrus Gelb'.

I see that Oron found a green form of F. latifolia on his trip to Georgia last year. The Eastern Block gave a new species name to every variation of a plant they found and so I ask are there any significant differences between F. latifolia and F. collina other than the colour

Tony - a further characteristic of F. collina is that the inner perianth segments are fringed on the margin. As I remember from when I had the plant, this is clearly visible in the flesh though maybe not so clear on photos.

Edit: Also, from Flora of the USSR vol IV, F. collina has a "tuft of short white hairs" at the apex of the segments.

[ronm]

F.meleagris

[ronm]

F.latifolia, F.collina.   

A few points from history.

F.latifolia was published in 1799, F.collina in 1805.

It would seem the debate as to the status of F.collina was flourishing in 1813 ! In V 37-38 of Curtis's Botanical magazine of that year F.collina ( as well as F.lutea, F.lutea punctata, F.flore luteo and F. flore flavo) was considered a synonym of F.latifolia v. lutea. The following was written about F.latifolia v. lutea ( I have changed the f's for s's );
" The present variety has been considered by Mr. MARSCHAL and some others , as a distinct species from latifolia; but as no characters, beyond those of size and colour, have been adduced to seperate the species, we being unable to detect any others, have continued them as varieties. All are found on Caucasus; the yellow in particular near Kasbek. The capsule is obtuse-angular. Mr.MARSCHAL observes, that in garden specimens, the leaves are more conspicuously alternate, or placed at wider distances from each other than in spontaneous ones. For further account of the species, see No.1207. Our drawing ( which I doubt I can reproduce here - RON ) was made from a plant in Mr. WILLIAMS's Nursery, at Turnham-Green. All are perfectly hardy. G."

F.collina is recognised on the Kew list by virtue of being accepted by Phillips and Rix (1989), and Takhtajan (2006). It is not accepted by Govaerts (2001)( but as F.latifolia ).

[David Pilling]

Interesting there is a continuous spectrum between pure white F. Meleagris and pure dark (Fritillaria meleagris ssp. burnatii). I have one this year that is half white, but it's not as pretty as the one just posted by Ron. Question are any of them spotless, the spots are white, so it might be the pure dark ones that have no spots, at any rate a spotless one would be pure white or pure dark.

[ronm]

F.meleagris

I guess this is the closest I get at the moment David.

[ronm]

I see that Oron found a green form of F. latifolia on his trip to Georgia last year. The Eastern Block gave a new species name to every variation of a plant they found and so I ask are there any significant differences between F. latifolia and F. collina other than the colour

http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7321.msg202627#msg202627

[ronm]

Does it ever set seed Tony?

[ronm]

A couple of lovely Frits there Janis.

 The Fritillaria sp. Xingjanng Tianschan Heavenly lake Got-2 is the one that has been doing the rounds as F.walujewii isn't it? I hear that it is not now considered to be F.walujewii, but don't know why? Can you help?

Very interesting how some of the 'Chinese Frits' superficially resemble the 'American Frits'.

[Maggi Young]

A couple of lovely Frits there Janis.

 The Fritillaria sp. Xingjanng Tianschan Heavenly lake Got-2 is the one that has been doing the rounds as F.walujewii isn't it? I hear that it is not now considered to be F.walujewii, but don't know why? Can you help?

Very interesting how some of the 'Chinese Frits' superficially resemble the 'American Frits'.

I thought Fritillaria sp. Xingjanng Tianschan Heavenly lake Got-2  was a F. monantha?