Fritillaria 2012

[fredg]

F.meleagris

Nice clone Ron 

[David Pilling]

F.meleagris

I guess this is the closest I get at the moment David.

The pure white ones always look a bit spotty to me, but it is hard to pin down. Sort look from a distance see the spots, look closely and they go away.

[ronm]

Thanks Fred,  .

Perhaps it is Maggi,  .

 How come there is a key for all the species mentioned ( http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=113029 ) but as far as I am aware no corresponding pictures?

All I know is that almost certainly the one pictured second by Janis has been called F.walujewii many times in the past and now it isn't. I am not arguing that it should be, I dont know anything about these Chinese Frits, only trying to point out that some of us growing F.walujewii probably aren't. Am I making things worse

[ronm]

Same here David, 

[ronm]

F.recurva

Before you all jump in I know its a weed, but a rather nice one,

[ashley]

I'd only jump in to say what a beauty it is Ron
Striking and elegant.  What more can we ask for?

[fredg]

F.recurva

Before you all jump in I know its a weed, but a rather nice one,

That's a weed?

[Michael J Campbell]

No weeds like that round here.

[Gerry Webster]

Tony - a further characteristic of F. collina is that the inner perianth segments are fringed on the margin. As I remember from when I had the plant, this is clearly visible in the flesh though maybe not so clear on photos.

The fringed margins of the perianth segments are clearly shown on this photo on the Frit Group website:

http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_collina.htm

[Graham Catlow]

F.recurva

Before you all jump in I know its a weed, but a rather nice one,

I'd be very pleased with weeds like that in my garden. I'd be collecting them and potting them up instead of composting them.

[Tony Willis]

Tony - a further characteristic of F. collina is that the inner perianth segments are fringed on the margin. As I remember from when I had the plant, this is clearly visible in the flesh though maybe not so clear on photos.

The fringed margins of the perianth segments are clearly shown on this photo on the Frit Group website:

http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_collina.htm

Gerry they are fringed in the first picture but not in the second. Mine has not got fringed edges.

[Gerry Webster]

Tony - a further characteristic of F. collina is that the inner perianth segments are fringed on the margin. As I remember from when I had the plant, this is clearly visible in the flesh though maybe not so clear on photos.

The fringed margins of the perianth segments are clearly shown on this photo on the Frit Group website:

http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_collina.htm

Gerry they are fringed in the first picture but not in the second. Mine has not got fringed edges.

Tony - I suspect the second  may not be  F. collina or the photo is not good enough. The fringed margin is referred to by both Rix & Flora of USSR & I saw it on my own plant (from Norman Stevens & long gone). On this basis, & the other features of the perianth segments I referred to above, I would be reasonably happy to conclude that your plant  probably is F. latifolia. The other feature of F. collina mentioned by the Flora is the presence of a "beard" between the lobes of the 3-fid style; I guess you would need a lens to see if this was present.

[Ian Y]

This picture of Fritillaria collina may help clear up the ID.
The fringe along the inner segments are clearly seen.

[Tony Willis]

Tony - a further characteristic of F. collina is that the inner perianth segments are fringed on the margin. As I remember from when I had the plant, this is clearly visible in the flesh though maybe not so clear on photos.

The fringed margins of the perianth segments are clearly shown on this photo on the Frit Group website:

http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_collina.htm

Gerry they are fringed in the first picture but not in the second. Mine has not got fringed edges.

Tony - I suspect the second  may not be  F. collina or the photo is not good enough. The fringed margin is referred to by both Rix & Flora of USSR & I saw it on my own plant (from Norman Stevens & long gone). On this basis, & the other features of the perianth segments I referred to above, I would be reasonably happy to conclude that your plant  probably is F. latifolia. The other feature of F. collina mentioned by the Flora is the presence of a "beard" between the lobes of the 3-fid style; I guess you would need a lens to see if this was present.

Gerry the lens has been produced and I can confirm that the style on mine is 'as smooth as a baby's bum'

I really think that if species are going to be determined on the basis of a few hairs (I remember last year two lilies being differentiated by one having hairs on the stigma and one not) I shall just stick to growing them and enjoying them for what they are. I see these discussions on other forums such as for orchids and although interesting in the end they always run into the sand.

Ian lovely illustrative picture.

[Gerry Webster]

Gerry the lens has been produced and I can confirm that the style on mine is 'as smooth as a baby's bum'

I really think that if species are going to be determined on the basis of a few hairs (I remember last year two lilies being differentiated by one having hairs on the stigma and one not) I shall just stick to growing them and enjoying them for what they are.............

"That's the way it crumbles, cookiewise" - in the immortal words of C.C. Baxter