Autumn flowering Narcissus 2012

[Rafa]

Gerd, 4-5 I wouldn't say N. cavanillesii, it seems something like your N. x moronensis, but  the nothovariety with N. cavanillesii as a mother.

Hans, definitively N. elegans in Mallorca is another different species, almost to me. Appart the obvious different morphology, it hasn't the pigment composition in the corona, it hasn' the red pigment that make the orange corona. This plant has inhertied the pigments from N. obsoletus, wich it could be probably one of their parents. I am sure even they have different scent.

[Gerdk]

Thanks for kind comments alltogether!

Rafa: I'll have a closer look at the N. cavanillesii (4.+5.) if there is any sign of hybrid origin. Fortunately Professor
Sanders is interested in pollen of the plant, so perhaps he will be able to give addtional hints.

Gerd

[Hans A.]

 Superb plants Gerd, here all those plants should be much easier than in Central Europe but you grow Narcissus cavanillesii much better than me...

Rafa, I agree with you, I also have some problems to call it N. elegans, in my eyes it is to different.

[Hans A.]

Two pictures from yesterday:  first Narcissus viridiflorus and N. x alleniae, latter very floriferous this year.

[Gerdk]

Two pictures from yesterday:  first Narcissus viridiflorus and N. x alleniae, latter very floriferous this year.

Hans, what a wonderful performance with these daffs!

I add two flowers of Narcissus elegans (originally from Jebel Zerhoun/Morocco) from today which contrary to my elegans varietas oxypetalus show an interrupted corona. Sorry - not well visible in second pic!

Gerd

[Hans A.]

Thanks a lot Gerd!

Thanks for showing those very nice and interesting N. elegans!

[Rafa]

Gerd, this puzzel me, how many leaves have per bulb this particular N. elegans? Is it possible a range between N. obsoletus and N. elegans? pfffffffffffffffffffffffff

Hansi, too green, it tempted to me to make a salad!

[Cris]

How much time takes the N. viridiflorus to germinate? Thanks:)

[Gerdk]

Rafa: I'll have a closer look at the N. cavanillesii (4.+5.) if there is any sign of hybrid origin. Fortunately Professor
Sanders is interested in pollen of the plant, so perhaps he will be able to give addtional hints.
Gerd

Rafa,
It seems this plant stays to be a mistery. Professor Sanders had a look at the pollen yesterday but found
only one fertile pollen grain - the others seemed to be infertile. This phenomenon can be caused be the
cold and rainy weather we experienced even now or by hybrid origin of the plants. I'll try to gather some
additional pollen once again because we had an optimistic weather forecast.
Otherwise the flowers are typical cavanillesii(except for the size), i.e. with long protruding filaments and a more or less lacking corona.
I add two additional pics. Left is always the 'Ian Robertson type'.

Gerd

[Gerdk]

Gerd, this puzzel me, how many leaves have per bulb this particular N. elegans? Is it possible a range between N. obsoletus and N. elegans? pfffffffffffffffffffffffff

To Rafa again:
Shame on me! I confused my elegans forms. It was NOT the Jebel Zerhoun collection which
shows the interrupted corona but the var. oxypetalus!
With the exception of one (from 7) all had a flowering stalk and leaves. The leaves are flat and glaucous.
There were no single flowers. The origin of my stock was seed from the Wuppertal Botanical Garden (Erich
Pasche) where N. elegans and miniatus/obsoletus grew side by side. So hybridisation can't be excluded.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the genetic constellations of the species mentioned but as far I remember
there are some Spanish records about that.

Gerd

[ArnoldT]

I still think it smells like warm vinyl

Narcissus viridiflorus

[Rafa]

Gerd, thank you very much for the interesting info. Maybe these N. cavanillesii are  simply more big, as you say the rest of the characters are pure N. cavanillesii.

I am sitill  thinking that this var. oxipetalus, is  the result of several crosses between pure N. elegans and N. obsoletus. I think is not a good idea to maintain in the same species, a plant that could have segemented corona or not, it is an important character and I think is would be interesting to understand why it has this character. Maybe your big cavanillesii it would be good variety or stirpe, form... because maintain almost the most important common characters from the same species, but to compare N. elegans from Argelia with N. elegans oxypetalus from Mallorca is like compare a horse with a donkey, I think. The comparation picture that Hans did is a good start to see how diferent they are.

A couple of species that last year set seeds

    N. piifontianus
    N. x alleniae

[Anthony Darby]

Lovely to see these Rafa. 

[pehe]

It is nice to see all these interesting Narcissus!
Two of mine has opened today.
Narcissus x alentejanus and one labeled as Narcissus serotinus.

Poul

[Rafa]

I would like to compare both N. x alentejanus and N. x perez-larae, maybe it will be some diferences in perianth tube.
I think the second picture is N. obsoletus, very nice anyway.