Autumn flowering Narcissus 2012

[Gerdk]

Here is my best/most floriferous autumn flowering species

Narcissus miniatus (obsoletus/serotinus) x tazetta
and
Narcissus x alleniae - just opening

Gerd

[Angelo Porcelli]

Gerd, very nice this miniatus x tazetta hybrid. Is it a natural hybrid or you made your own?

[Gerdk]

Thank you, Angelo.
This hybrid is the result of a cross done by mother nature in Israel. I received it from
a generous forum member.

Gerd

[Angelo Porcelli]

I have both species native here, but the flower several weeks apart, obsoletum/miniatum in September- October, tazetta in December- January, so any natural cross is unlikely

[Oron Peri]

Angelo,
Narcissus tazetta has two variants in Israel, first is an autumnal form that blooms with the leaves not fully developed, it flower in Mid October - November, depend on rains.
The other form is restricted to valleys with damp conditions, often literaly growing in the water for quite few weeks, also it is more robust plant. It blooms in mid December - February.
The autumnal form blooms at the same time as N. obsoletus and in one small area on the north part of the coast the two species overlap to create these hybrids.

[Rafa]

Oron, are there seeds availible from both N. tazettas?
 
I also grow the same hybrid that Gerd and Oron grow, but the plat I grow is from Corsica. Oron, do you know the parent role in this hybrid? is it tazetta or obsoletus that accting as a mother? maybe it is possible two nothovaieties in this cross deppending which one was the mother, in this case it would be very interesting to study it in the nature. Maybe in our hybrids, the mother was N. obsoletus, because it has the corona with segments, but what will happend if tazetta would be the mother? would it have the corona complete? veeeeeeeery interesting to me.....

[Anthony Darby]

Lovely hybrid Gerd.

[arillady]

Gerd now that is the sort of Narcissus that gladdens my heart. Thanks Oron for the explanation.

[Oron Peri]

Rafa,

I think the two species act as mother plants: there are hybrids that look more tazetta, and others more obsoletus. Both sterile.
The hybrid in Gerd's photo has flowers of the tazetta type [90 degree] with more flowers than the 1-2[-3] in obsoletus.
But as you can notice it has only one leaf as in obsoletus.
I'm afraid i do not have seeds of the tazetta this year but I'll collect some for you.
By the way the autumnal variety sets seeds by the end of November, early December while the other varieta not before February.

[Hans A.]

Here is my best/most floriferous autumn flowering species

Narcissus miniatus (obsoletus/serotinus) x tazetta

Superb picture of great plant, Gerd -  and for sure perfectly grown.

[Gerdk]

Thanks for compliments alltogether - but,  most of the honour deserves the donor and the adaptability
of the species to different growing conditions - seems to be very easy growing.
Unfortunately multiplication would be a slow process - unless someone tries chipping.

Gerd

[Oron Peri]

Autumn has finally arrived here, although it is 31c today.
N. obsoletus and one of the forms of N. obsoletus x tazetta start to bloom.

[Oron Peri]

Now this is new, this morning i have noticed 3 new, identical seedling growing in the N. cavanilesii pots.
I suspect it might be N. obsoletus x cavanillesii

[Rafa]

very curious lines in the petals  It is very probably any kind of chromosom introgression, but I' not sure if it is a pure hybrid,  it don't has the characters of N x perez larae, the corona must be reduced and you have to see the filamente exerted from the corona. Although it could be very pale, if the mother was obsoletus, normally the whole petals are colored with the same color that this line have. But it is very curious, it reminds me the peach obsoletus that Gerds grow.

[Oron Peri]

But it is very curious, it reminds me the peach obsoletus that Gerds grow.

Thanks Rafa,

I have taken this option in consideration as i grow also Gerds 'Orange Form' but it blooms last usually after all my obsoletus are over.
Also the color in Gerd's form is more 'washed' on the petal. It is a mystery...