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Which Crocus?
« on: November 05, 2007, 11:37:16 PM »
I was in Nagorno Karabakh (area between Armenia and Azerbaidjan) in October and found this Crocus. It was growing in the field between 5000-5500 feet. Can someone tell which species it was? There was only flowers and no leaves.



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« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 10:46:39 AM by Maggi Young »

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 11:41:54 PM »
It is Crocus speciosus.

Thanks for posting - it is great to be able to share your adventures.  I dream of the mountains as I cycle to my work ... but here it is very flat ;)

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 11:48:19 PM »
> It is Crocus speciosus.
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> Thanks for posting - it is great to be able to share your adventures.  I dream of the mountains as I
> cycle to my work ... but here it is very flat

Thanks. I have some more pictures of Crocus (Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Marocco, Armenia...) and I will try to find them tomorrow...

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 11:50:45 PM »
Thanks. I have some more pictures of Crocus (Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Marocco, Armenia...) and I will try to find them tomorrow...

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2007, 07:03:56 AM »
Ok,
Some Crocus from Mount Uludag in Turkey. The Crocus was growing at 4000 feet and had flowers in early May. Mount Uludag are located about 100 miles south from Istanbul







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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2007, 07:15:25 AM »
Good morning Stellan!
Many thanks for your photos!

Your yellow Crocus is gargaricus ssp herbertii,
the blue one is biflorus ssp pulchricolor.

I could not ID these only by the photos,
I know these two species grow on Ulu-Dag!
Thomas Huber, Neustadt - Germany (230m)

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 07:20:11 AM »
Thanks Thomas...

Some more photos...


From Marocco, Middle Atlas at 6 000 feet, 10 oct -06


From Marocco, Rif mountains 7 000 feet, 25 oct -06

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 07:58:26 AM »
Crocus serotinus ssp salzmanii !

Great to have another biker in the forum! I've discovered your homepage
and became green for envy for all the trips you did  :-\ I'm still dreaming
of such a trip, but I don't have the time - maybe in next life  8)

If you have more photos, please share them with us!!!
Thomas Huber, Neustadt - Germany (230m)

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 09:48:18 AM »
At first glance I thought the yellow crocus was C olivieri - notice the few, quite broad leaves but this is not recorded for the area you state so Thomas diagnosis is the best one.  C gargaricus often flowers before the leaves appear so these are not typical.  Any thoughts from others who have visited this area?

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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2007, 10:02:12 AM »
Tony, in my garden gargaricus also flowers without the leaves, but
in the wild this is not a feature for ID!
« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 10:06:02 AM by Thomas Huber »
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Re: Which Crocos?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 05:45:37 PM »
... but here it is very flat ;)

From Costessey to the ring road roundabout on the Dereham Road ??
Andrew, North Cambridgeshire, England.

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Re: Which Crocus?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2007, 12:08:00 AM »
OK Andrew - I used to bike up that hill on the way home from work ... I was younger then.  But did you see where Stellan goes on his bike? :o :o :o  If you put all the hills in Norfolk on top of each other they would not get anywhere near 10000 feet ;D

BTW - you must come and visit if you are ever in Norwich.

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Re: Which Crocus?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2008, 11:15:18 PM »
Curious this Crocus with white anthers and very little stigmate. Is it a form of sieberi ?
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Re: Which Crocus?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2008, 11:32:53 PM »
Tony G here is crocus gargaricus on ulu dag together with biflorus pulchricolor.In this area they are the only two species. I think you can see leaves are not present in the first but are present in the second and third at flowering. I think it depends on their aspect,many flower through running water and others are slightly drier.There are no sign with me in cultivation at flowering time on the gargaricus
« Last Edit: January 20, 2008, 11:34:58 PM by Tony Willis »
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Re: Which Crocus?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2008, 12:06:14 AM »
Thanks Tony - I knew when I saw you had joined our community that we would gain some clearer insight into some of the plants we grow.  There is no substitute for experience of the plants in the wild, as an 'armchair expert' I simply dont have the full picture.

(Trouble is, if I start planning to go off alone to some of the places you have visited my wife would hide my passport!)

 


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