Crocus trip to Crete from 20 -27 november 2011

[Gerry Webster]

Very interesting .
Thanks for showing Janis , the only thing is .....I get maybe confused again ...   Except from the fact that the flowers stays open during night maybe the hairs in the throat are still of great importance ?

According to Mathew (whose monograph remains, in most respects, definitive): "C. cartwrightianus can.... be distinguished from the former [C. oreocreticus] by having a  ring of hairs in the throat of the flower".  AND, "C. cartwrightianus is one of the two species whose flowers, once they have opened, do not close up at night or in dull weather...... the other is C. tournefortii." (The Crocus, 1982, p56)

[krisderaeymaeker]

Offcourse Gerry , I can understand what's Mathew saying.
It is not easy to make myself clear sometimes  because my English is not so perfect .
But I just want to express that's difficult to see on pictures .....When you just have a look to the pictures you would say it is the same.   And when I only see the pictures from Janis I was only thinking , oh they look just similar like the oreocreticus we did see. And then I start realise again that the hairs would make the difference (and the opening of flowers at night)   
The difference (the hairs eg )is not that big ,these are small details (certainly on pictures). And I regret that I did not look for the hairs when we where in Crete. And the other question I want to ask (and not answer myself because I am not a botanist): are those differences big enough to separate them. That's something for splitters and lumpers ...And then I make the conclusion that I maybe have not the right knowledge to make such decissions .
Pooh , not always easy in an other language to let other people understand what you really want to say ...  ;)At least thats my impression , but I keep trying ...

[Maggi Young]

Pooh , not always easy in an other language to let other people understand what you really want to say ... 

Don't worry, Kris - it's not always easy to do that in the same language! 

[krisderaeymaeker]

The last episode of my trip .....We try to find Crocus boryi .
But first we did find this autumnal flowering Anemone coronaria . The first time I did see something like that. Afterwards I read about it on this forum .   

[krisderaeymaeker]

And some more ......

[krisderaeymaeker]

Don't worry, Kris - it's not always easy to do that in the same language! 

Oh yes Maggi , that's right 

[Gerdk]

Very attractive Anemones - thank you for showing these plants (for the rest also of course).

Gerd

[Janis Ruksans]

It looks as Anemone heldreichii? Dwarf?
Janis

[Leon]

Kris,
Those anemones are in such a nice variety of colors.  Amazing.

[krisderaeymaeker]

Very attractive Anemones - thank you for showing these plants (for the rest also of course).
Gerd

Thank you Gerd .

[krisderaeymaeker]

Kris,
Those anemones are in such a nice variety of colors.  Amazing.

Yes Leon , the range of colours is amazing ....but it is even  more amazing hat they flower in autumn. Normally they do this in spring... 

[krisderaeymaeker]

It looks as Anemone heldreichii? Dwarf?
Janis

We did see heldreichii in march Janis .Looks a bit different to me. But maybe I can show you pictures....

[krisderaeymaeker]

The last Crocus we search for was not easily to find ....
We are almost in the right area when we see this Clematis cirrhosa .
Also another very attractive Sternbergia just beside of the road . 

[krisderaeymaeker]

 Who expect to find flowering Crocus in such an area ? During this trip we find them in totally different habitat

This was a very dry area with a kind of yellow sandy soil . The soil was very special , it looks rather like "cement" I don't know this word is used in English ?

[krisderaeymaeker]

Eventually Ingrid find some Crocus ! (I didn't think to find any in this area and soil  )
Is this Crocus boryi ....? Flowers are much bigger (the largest ones we see on our trip ) and more cup shaped .
When we are in Crete I tought they where boryi .   
We are in the southeast in the right area for boryi.
At home ,I sometimes doubt ....