Pleione 2013

[Tamar]

Maren and Karel, thank you very much for the answer.
Your opinion made me sad. Firstly, I received once again a different Pleione instead of the one I paid for. 
Maren, thanks for the pictures. I have seen them before and they just aroused suspicions about the correct name of my plant.
The funny thing is that I have been looking for Pleione grandiflora for 2 years and now it turn out I had it all the time at home. In that way I bought once more pseudobulbs of this species last year. Now new pseudobulbs have shoots, so soon I will be able to compare they flowers.

Karel, you worried me the information about virus. I really have to look for an institution where Pleione Zeus Weinstein will be examine!
And by the way I wonder if virused Pleione could grow with such vigour? I bought one adult pseudobulbs a year ago now I have two with four shoots. The flowers are much larger than a year earlier.
And about discoloration on petals,  Pleione Harlequin 'Norman' was the same a year ago for example...

Regards,
Tamar

[karel_t]

Hi Tamar, there is not the same. On the pictures bellow you can see P. Harlequin ‘Norman’ compared to P. Soufriere. You can see, that P. Harlequin ‘Norman’ has a smooth discoloration on the petals – it is a consequence of breeding and selection. Whereas P. Soufriere has uneven bordered discoloration – you can see the virus we found on this plant. All Pleiones we tested, grew very vigorously, they had regular amount of bulbils and usually were without discoloration on leaves. However, some of  the other plants with the same symptoms were free of virus.
So, I just think that a caution is very important in this case. Ian Butterfield told me he destroys all plants which look odd.

[Maren]

Hmmm, I'm afraid I don't have your facilities. But I could make enquiries. I am sure equivalent institutions exist in this country. Perhaps someone on the forum knows???

[Hakone]

Pleione pleionoides



Pleione yunnanensis

[karel_t]

Hi Hakone, sorry to disappoint you, however your P. yunnanensis is not true! I think it is P. x barbarae. I also doubt about your P. pleionoides because they never have a barbate lamellae. So, I think that they are also P. x barbarae or some hybrid.

[Bart]

Hello everyone,
First of all a quick introduction. I've been reading the forum for years and finally joined last year because of the treasure of information to be found on this forum! I haven't engaged with it so far because there is a danger of becoming hooked and stop doing the actual gardening... I grow all sorts of things, but focus on Pleione, Cyclamen, Arisaema, Arum, Corydalis, ... ,...,  is there an end??
There are so many topics I have queries about though, that I take the plunge now.
The trigger to join in the discussion is the topic about colour breaks on certain hybrids. I've been reading the old threads with interest because one of my first plants, Pleione Eiger, showed signs of this in its second year. I decided to go with the theory that it was caused by an uneven storage temperature. Mine do not go in a fridge but sit in bags in an unheated but frost-free conservatory where it can occasionally get a bit warmer than ideal in the winter months.
Last year the colour breaks were dreadful, this year it is not so bad. I dug out some pictures for comparison:
2010

2011

2012 bud

2012

2013

As you can see, last year was horrible, this year the flowers are okay.
It would be great to be sure because probably like many other people I have spent a considerable amount of money on different species and hybrids, but in most cases only one bulb of each so it seems a bit of a luxury to bin anything that looks a bit iffy if there might be another explanation.
It would be interesting to see what your opinions are.


 (edit by maggi to add the dates)

[Bart]

Ah, just seen the pictures didn't come with their names: it is 2010, 2011, 2012 bud, 2012 and 2013 respectively.

[karel_t]

Hi Bart,
I only can repeat what I told before. Many viral plants could be without any symptoms mainly in the year when you bought them. The virus is very often in lateral stage at “a home nursery” and it is usually activated when the plant changes some conditions. That’s why we should place all new plants into quarantine in first year and wait for the flowers in second year.
If I compare your P. Eiger 2010 with 2013, it is ill so far

[Tamar]

Hello all !

Thank you Maren.
Yesterday I sent my orchid for analysis to Department of Virology in Research Institute of Horticulture in Skierniewice. As soon as I get the result I let know.

And by the way I am glad that Karel raise an important viruses' issue. I completely did not think about this so far.
I bought the recommended preparation that protects plants and prevents from many problems including limited some viruses. The formula of this measure is based on hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and colloidal / ironic silver.

And of course Karel, thank you for the pictures. I understand the difference, but my Pleione Harlequin 'Norman' did not have such a smooth passage of colors. They were similar to Pleione Zeus Weinstein's, like in the attached picture. I will see how it will be this year.

Regards,
Tamar

[karel_t]

Hi Tamar, your P. Harlequin 'Norman' looks really strangely 
About "antivirus" preparation I have to say, that there is NO regular way how we can cure a viral plant. It is the same like a human flu. We only can suppress symptoms and put virus to lateral stage. However virus will freely creep through your collection. So, only way is fire. 

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Interesting discussion gentlemen ! 

Out here my first Pleiones finally started flowering :

1) Pleione eiger "To Ah"
2) Pleione eiger "To Be"

Both originating from the recross by the late Jan Berg who used Pleione formosana alba for his cross.

3) Pleione forrestii

[sottych]

Hello everybody ,
 blooming  of  my  PLEIONES   here is  forrestii , versailles 'Bucklebbery' (after flower and in bloom) with a virus in a pink , look the picture .
P. Glacier Pink it's beautiful  lip !

[sottych]

And ,...  P. Grandiflora 'Yellow Lip' (3 pictures) , and beautiful P. Quizapu 'Peregrine' (yellow and orange )

[sottych]

And  P. Rakata  very  big this year whit a beautiful color !

Cordialy
Christian

[Snuffeldyret]

Heres a short summary of mine flowering now.

Pleione speciosa


Pleione grandiflora


Pleione forrestii



Pleione forrestii white/light yellow


Pleione forrestii


Pleione forrestii