Colchicum 2013

[ronm]

Can anyone put me right with this please,... ??
Is this hybrid found naturally??

[krisderaeymaeker]

Can anyone put me right with this please,... ??
Is this hybrid found naturally??

The hybrid occurs in the wild Ron , that's what they told us ....But I don't know about the plant I showed because they tried to cross both in cultivation to ....

[ronm]

Not really wanting to be pedantic Kris..... but who are they

[Maggi Young]

See "Oakwood's"  photo of the natural hybrid (  C. x albertii)  here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8369.msg240448#msg240448

I think we heard  (from Henrik Zetterlund, Janis? ?) that the hybrid had been found by Arne Seisums.

Ian has remade the cross at home, too.

[krisderaeymaeker]

Not really wanting to be pedantic Kris..... but who are they

I read that it was found by Arne Seisums ....like Maggi writes to . I think Janis write about it in one of his books but I am not sure about this ....Sometimes my memory ....

[Maggi Young]

See "Oakwood's"  photo of the natural hybrid (  C. x albertii)  here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8369.msg240448#msg240448

Hmmm, Oakwood refers to C. x albertii in the post listed above, but  the Kew list says only that :
Colchicum alberti Regel is a synonym of Colchicum kesselringii Regel

This name is a synonym of Colchicum kesselringii Regel.

The record derives from WCSP which reports it as a synonym (record 302753) with original publication details: Trudy Imp. S.-Peterburgsk. Bot. Sada 8: 647 1884.       
   

[ronm]

See "Oakwood's"  photo of the natural hybrid (  C. x albertii)  here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8369.msg240448#msg240448

Thanks Maggi... Not sure that "Oakwoods" plants look anything like Kris' hybrids though, from the pics available, ...do they? Hard to see much C.luteum in "Oakwoods". Given that they have a name (C. x albertii) I am somewhat convinced they do occur naturally, but look like C.kesselringii. Those of Kris do look like those available in 'commerce' so to speak. I guess selected hybrids would run the gamut between both parents.
Has anyone pictured them in the wild?
I've searched for Ians remade cross too, but can't find the pics. Only goes to prove that they will  X however and not that they do so 'au natureal'!
Does the plant 'bulk up' well for you Kris?

[Maggi Young]

 I suspect that Oakwood's plants labelled  x alberti  look more like "pure " kesselringii  for which alberti is a synonym.

I will just find some  Bulb Log's with Ian's plants, home made and otherwise.......

luteum x kesselringii 8/04  http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/190204/log.html
and logs...... 4/05    4/06   7/06     8/07

Edit : As I said, I believe the "wild" cross" was found by Arne Seisums - Janis will be able to confirm this, I think.  I'll have a look in Janis' book to see if I can find a note there.

[Maggi Young]

Colchicum luteum x kesselringii

Janis describes the two species growing in the same vicinity  and the various forms of the natural hybrid, collected by Arne Seisums in "Buried Treasures"  page 184

[ronm]

Thanks Maggi.  Seems it is a natural occurrence??

C. kesselringii doubles each year for me. Does C.luteum do the same?? And the hybrid?? If so, they are surely good 'raised bed plants'?

[Maggi Young]

We lost  our C. luteum and the hybrid in the cold winter of  2009(?)  when the pots froze solid in the glasshouse
 when the temps dropped dramatically for a long spell and the pots were not in a protected plunge - 

[krisderaeymaeker]

Colchicum luteum x kesselringii
Janis describes the two species growing in the same vicinity  and the various forms of the natural hybrid, collected by Arne Seisums in "Buried Treasures"  page 184

Oh ,my memory is stil ok then.... 

[Maggi Young]

Oh ,my memory is stil ok then.... 

Not something for a young man such as you  to worry about, Kris!

[krisderaeymaeker]

Does the plant 'bulk up' well for you Kris?

Lost al my kesselringii's , luteums and also this hybrid previous winter Ron 
But could not resist to buy some new ones in the summer....(not al the different kind of forms , some I could not obtain ....)
So I did not get the chance to know because the hybrid I lost was only for two years in my collection....
But I think it is not a plant that  'bulk up ' well ....Hopefully I get the chance to try now. Anyhow I put them in my frostfree glashouse now  and only put them in the outside bulbframe again after having anough spare bulbs .....

[Janis Ruksans]

There are 3 clones of C. x albertii in cultivation. All were found by Dr. Arnis Seisums in wild, Tadjikistan, near Tovilj-Dara. One of them was named by him 'Janis' and presented to me at my 50th anniversary. Still under question - could it be regarded as true species or as natural hybrid. I haven't at this moment Karin Persson's publication Synopsis of Genus Colchicum at hand, so I can't to check her opinion, and not remember just what she wrote about this. In any case hybrid is fertile and very well set seeds, but my seedlings still didn't started blooming, so I don't know splitting in progeny which could give some conclusion. May be it is stable hybrid on natural way to species?
Janis